New & Already "Warned" About Ignore lists....

[RevDevil]

Those are not the words of someone looking to start a discussion. Discussions start with specifics. Whining starts with generalities.
I noticed your posts, the time between them, and that you were relatively new here. So I thought I'd be helpful, as this community has been helpful to me, and maybe get things back on track before the mods had to worry about it.
A simple "my bad" would have gone along way. Instead, you called Killgar out like you've been around a while, so I assumed you might have just read a lot of posts, and felt like you could just jump in like that. Yeah, his response wasn't as... tactful as mine, but its what I'm sure a lot of people were thinking and he's been here a long time. Still seemed to me like a chance to back up and start again.
But then instead of a mea culpa, you turn around and start this thread. Glad I was informed of it. Don't know why I was your buddy and others were not, but if you have a problem with my advice, you are free to use it or not, ignore me for all I care. Running to mom with a "maybe we should just all be friends" isn't going to make things better. Trying to "start a discussion" when you clearly didn't understand the culture and stepped on a few toes, and trying some sort of nonpology instead of owning your words, really won't start things off on a good foot. I brought up ignore lists because your first thread was the kind of thing that will get you ignored. If that's all people see, that's what they will deal with. For some reason its seemed to me that there had been a bunch of new users jumping in and getting in trouble for not understanding the expectations. So I thought I'd help a guy out, and get him back on the right track to have a good time here. Instead I get the same response I get when I'm working with children. "I'm sorry sir if it was something I did" I don't much care about join-date and post count. If your point is well made, its valid. But this is not the case here.
I'm a bit mad. I think its worse because instead of you ignoring me, or telling me to mind my own business, or chucking snark that I could respond to, I got a smile and a nod, and you promptly walk off and start another fire. Whats the record for completely alienating everyone and not actually breaking a rule?

I'm sure there is time to back the bus up, eat a little humble pie and be useful here. But take the entitlement out back and bury it, deep. It won't help you here, just like it doesn't help anywhere else.

GG, there are or have been only a handful of people in my time here that have started this way. I can think of one person in particular that should read your post and see how it may apply to them given their own experiences. Well written and cuts to the heart of the matter. :thumbup:

 

[bld522]

Yep. GG's post is a classic along with Chris's post (reproduced here for reference):

It's worthwhile remembering that we don't know you. We don't know what kind of a person you are, whether you're a troll or genuinely interested, or whether you're a generally nice bloke who only uses sarcasm for comedic flair.

Without knowing you we would normally rely on cues like tone and body language but forums are almost entirely text based. This means that we only see your WORDS not your MEANING.

Communication in forums lacks the normal cues for context.

Because of this I would suggest toning down the sarcasm and ironic comments a bit. It's definitely best to "think twice, type once".

Nice people hang out here. I think I can safely say we want nice people to hang out here.

Stick around, read and enjoy the chatting.

And just to make sure that I'm not coming across as unfriendly I am going to sign off with a smiley face.

I'll sign off with a sincere smiley face as well.

 

[RevDevil]

Very true as well.

 

[gadgetgeek]

Thanks Rev, good to know that at least once and a while I'm able to present a coherent idea. I saw you added it to another thread, I hope it helps. As much as WC is a bit, everything goes, no one benefits from the current raging.

Chris, some good thoughts put far more succinctly than I was able. Hopefully he comes back, reads all this and is able to be part of the place.

 

[killgar]

Those are not the words of someone looking to start a discussion. Discussions start with specifics. Whining starts with generalities.
I noticed your posts, the time between them, and that you were relatively new here. So I thought I'd be helpful, as this community has been helpful to me, and maybe get things back on track before the mods had to worry about it.
A simple "my bad" would have gone along way. Instead, you called Killgar out like you've been around a while, so I assumed you might have just read a lot of posts, and felt like you could just jump in like that. Yeah, his response wasn't as... tactful as mine, but its what I'm sure a lot of people were thinking and he's been here a long time. Still seemed to me like a chance to back up and start again.
But then instead of a mea culpa, you turn around and start this thread. Glad I was informed of it. Don't know why I was your buddy and others were not, but if you have a problem with my advice, you are free to use it or not, ignore me for all I care. Running to mom with a "maybe we should just all be friends" isn't going to make things better. Trying to "start a discussion" when you clearly didn't understand the culture and stepped on a few toes, and trying some sort of nonpology instead of owning your words, really won't start things off on a good foot. I brought up ignore lists because your first thread was the kind of thing that will get you ignored. If that's all people see, that's what they will deal with. For some reason its seemed to me that there had been a bunch of new users jumping in and getting in trouble for not understanding the expectations. So I thought I'd help a guy out, and get him back on the right track to have a good time here. Instead I get the same response I get when I'm working with children. "I'm sorry sir if it was something I did" I don't much care about join-date and post count. If your point is well made, its valid. But this is not the case here.
I'm a bit mad. I think its worse because instead of you ignoring me, or telling me to mind my own business, or chucking snark that I could respond to, I got a smile and a nod, and you promptly walk off and start another fire. Whats the record for completely alienating everyone and not actually breaking a rule?

I'm sure there is time to back the bus up, eat a little humble pie and be useful here. But take the entitlement out back and bury it, deep. It won't help you here, just like it doesn't help anywhere else.

I think that my post in that other thread was entirely tactful. I felt the guy was acting in a rude and snarky manner, I said as much, and I said I would ignore his questions in the future. Since no one else has provided it, here is a link to that other thread- http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1338066-no-biggie-just-need-a

But I'm not trying to pile on the OP here. My post here isn't about the OP, it's about the use of my name in the post quoted above and posted out of context elsewhere on this forum.

I'm not trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill, but if the post above is going to be re-posted in other parts of this forum I would appreciate it if MY NAME were edited out. I don't think the inclusion of MY NAME is at all necessary to make the point that gadgetgeek was making. Instead of saying "you called Killgar out...", the quote could just as easily say "you called another member out...".

Although "Killgar" is not my real name, it is the name I use on this forum, so I have a personal interest in how it's used by others on this forum, particularly when it's used without any background, and out of it's original context.

No hard feelings gadgetgeek, and I take no offense at your post. I'm sure you meant no offense and that you didn't expect your post to be quoted outside of this thread.

 

[gadgetgeek]

As John Hodgeman says "specificity is the soul of narrative." I felt it was necessary to what I was telling Obi, but I fully understand your point as well, especially when it concerns posts being quoted in other threads, and therefor losing some context.

As for my read of your level of tact, you were direct, did not launch a personal attack. Perhaps I could have framed that a little better, I was hoping to contrast that even though your post was extremely direct, it was still very valid points that he should take on board. It validity was not negated by its difference in tone from any of the others. So that one is on me for sure.

This spread out much farther than I thought it would. Thanks for understanding.

 

[craytab]

I think that my post in that other thread was entirely tactful. I felt the guy was acting in a rude and snarky manner, I said as much, and I said I would ignore his questions in the future. Since no one else has provided it, here is a link to that other thread- http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1338066-no-biggie-just-need-a

But I'm not trying to pile on the OP here. My post here isn't about the OP, it's about the use of my name in the post quoted above and posted out of context elsewhere on this forum.

I'm not trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill, but if the post above is going to be re-posted in other parts of this forum I would appreciate it if MY NAME were edited out. I don't think the inclusion of MY NAME is at all necessary to make the point that gadgetgeek was making. Instead of saying "you called Killgar out...", the quote could just as easily say "you called another member out...".

Although "Killgar" is not my real name, it is the name I use on this forum, so I have a personal interest in how it's used by others on this forum, particularly when it's used without any background, and out of it's original context.

No hard feelings gadgetgeek, and I take no offense at your post. I'm sure you meant no offense and that you didn't expect your post to be quoted outside of this thread.

Telling other members when they should use you name? Seriously killgar? Your point in that other thread was completely valid. This one? Not so much. If you don't want your name to come up then why post?

I won't be reading or responding to the long winded post you make after mine.

 

[shinyedges]

DAMN cray gave a tl;dr before he even posted lol

 

[marcinek]

I'm not trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill, but if the post above is going to be re-posted in other parts of this forum I would appreciate it if MY NAME were edited out. I don't think the inclusion of MY NAME is at all necessary to make the point that gadgetgeek was making. Instead of saying "you called Killgar out...", the quote could just as easily say "you called another member out...".

Although "Killgar" is not my real name, it is the name I use on this forum, so I have a personal interest in how it's used by others on this forum, particularly when it's used without any background, and out of it's original context.

No hard feelings gadgetgeek, and I take no offense at your post. I'm sure you meant no offense and that you didn't expect your post to be quoted outside of this thread.

Oh please. If you don't want your posts reposted or quoted, there is a simple solution...the one craytab mentioned...don't post.

Note to self- If I see a question asked by Obey One Shinobi in the future, I will most certainly ignore it.

I won't waste my time trying to help a rude individual who expects instant gratification like a small child and gets snarky when they don't get it.

First impression has been made. And it hasn't been a good one. I'll save my knowledge for nice, respectful people.

I don't mean to be preachy, but those of us who have been here awhile know that sometimes newbies don't always receive much in the way of patience and understanding. Sometimes it's easy to jump on those who are new to knives, know less than we do, or simply have different tastes in knives. Sometimes criticism comes a little too easy on internet forums.

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In my humble opinion, this forum should be about more than personal entertainment, it should also be a place to provide guidance to those who are new to this "hobby", even if that means exerting a bit more patience and understanding. After all, how would we want to be treated if we were new here? In the end, we can teach newbies a lot more with patience and understanding than with insults and criticism.

Of course, if you've been here a while then you better have thick skin, because you're fair game .

Just my thoughts.

 

[killgar]

Oh please. If you don't want your posts reposted or quoted, there is a simple solution...the one craytab mentioned...don't post.

Maybe you should get your facts straight. Gadgetgeek clearly understood what I was saying.

I didn't say I have a problem having MY posts reposted, nor that I have a problem being quoted, nor that I have any problem with Gadgetgeek referencing my name in his post in this thread. Instead, I made a simple request- that I would appreciate it if my name were edited out of Gadgetgeeks post if it were going to be reposted elsewhere in this forum OUT OF CONTEXT and without any background to explain his reference to me. I think that's a small thing to ask. And I think I asked in a very polite way.

Gadgetgeek doesn't appear to have any problem with my request, so I don't see why anyone else would. Unless they're just looking for an excuse to spew negativity and criticism into this forum like they so often do. I said I didn't want to make a mountain out of a mole hill, but clearly there are a few people here who want to make this into a mountain. Some people here just love to take nothing and turn it into drama for their personal amusement, and a chance to express their own self-righteousness.

How people use YOUR name on this forum is YOUR business. How people use MY name on this forum is MY business. And if I don't like how my name is being used, I am inclined to speak up about it. And if you or anyone else doesn't like it, you're free to ignore me.

I know that you and some other members like to think of yourselves as moderators, with the power to tell people what to do and quote the rules at them, but neither you, nor they, are in any position to tell me that I shouldn't post on this forum.

 

[RevDevil]

I think we are done here....