New cold steel stuff

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has anyone seen those new cold steel stockmans with the carbon v blades? ive only seen pictures... are those nice pieces? theyre pricy for a stockman... but hey, if theyre good blades theyre worth it... anyone have one or seen one? I dont even know if they are in production yet
 
I have seen them and they are great knives. You may find better dollar values while looking at other brands. Have you tried Camillus?

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i have looked at camillus but i really like their carbon v steel. hows the fit and finisih on those things?
 
Mike,
There has been some talk (rumors) here that the scales on these stockmans are to quote,"faux bone".

Since you've handled these knives, do you know if there is any truth to these rumors?

I sure like the look & I'm happy to see CS branch out but I don't think that the knife world (in general) will be quick to scoff up yet another synthetic handled stockman.

Natural materials (IMHO) is the only way to go when it comes to "Grandpa" style knives.

If you, or anyone else, can shed some light on this, it would be appreciated.

--The Raptor--

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Faux is french for fake.

Their defineteley fake bone scales.

Why can't they just say that their fake? or call them synthetic or something?

I don't hate cold steel or anything, but that company seems to do everything to make me hate it. It copied the axis... waged war on 420 steel a few year back and now uses it... Descredits custom knifemakers ... lies all over... What more can a company do to make me hate it?

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Hmm ... how shall I phrase this? "According to rumor" is a good phrase ... or "usually reliable sources" ... that's always good ...

Cold Steel does not make knives; they resell them. "Carbon V" is not a steel; it's a registered trade name owned by Cold Steel and used to describe whatever steel the manufacturers of the knives Cold Steel is currently reselling happened to use ... a number of different steels have been sold as "Carbon V" as Cold Steel has resold knives made by a number of different manufacturers over the years. No secrets so far ... but now comes the tricky part ...

According to unofficial but usually reliable sources all the current "Carbon V" knives are made by Camillus and the steel is rumored to be 0170-6C.

0170-6C is good stuff and Camillus makes good knives and puts their own name on some and puts other brand names on knives they make for other companies to resell. If you buy the knife with some other name on it, it might not be exactly the same knife ... the price might be different....


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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Cougar Allen:
Cold Steel does not make knives; they resell them.</font>
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Fair enough, but who designs those Cold Steel knives?

Enquiring minds want to know.

 
Cougar,
This is the first time that I have heard about Camillus being involved with CS and I find it to be a little disturbing.
It's not that I do not like Camillus, but rather that, CS has never indicated that this relationship exists. Everything that I have gathered from their "PR" is that they design the knives, monitor all phases of production to include the making of Carbon V steel.

If your sources are correct, then we are being mislead and again I will say that I find this disturbing.
It is disturbing to me on several levels, but most imortant is that I DO generaly like their products but if they are not operating on the up-and-up with the public then I'm going to have to re-think my position regarding them.

There are other knife makers who use thier own names on the knives but openly admit to having another company make their knives for them.
CS shouldn't be any different. I don't think that they would lose credibility with the public, but would quite probably be viewed as operating openly & honestly.

CS "rumors" are always floating around. So many more than any other company. I'm not sure why. I was always taught that where there is smoke there is usually fire.

I wish that they could have maintained their forum here. Maybe their customers (and potential future customers) could have got some answers to their questions and they could quickly put an end to these rumors. One way or the other.

Just my thoughts on this.

--The Raptor--
 
Camillus does darned good work IMHO, judging from blades they make under their own name such as the Becker-designed line, as well as those they make for others including CS.If they're making the new Stockman for CS, I want one.
 
Raptor: What can I tell you? Cold Steel is not noted for honesty in advertising, or for being "on the up and up" with the public in any way. If you were to search these forums for "hype" ... or to search for "Cold Steel" ... you would find a great deal of similarity in the two search results pages....

D. Epstein: Who designs Cold Steel knives? Well, Lynn can hardly be accused of stealing the stockman design ... stockmans have been around so long nobody knows who originated the design. Lynn has been accused of stealing other designs, but nobody can accuse him of stealing this one.

Alberta Ed: Makes sense to me ... why buy a Camillus stockman now when you can wait for the Cold Steel stockman to be available? Besides, when it comes out you'll be able to spend more money on it -- cool!
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Cougar, I'll have to see them side by side, see what the similarities are (steel, handle materials, price, fit, etc.). Camillus would hardly be likely to try to sell the identical knife it makes for one of its customers. But, the sugggested retail price does seem, well, kind of pricey.
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Alberta Ed:
Camillus would hardly be likely to try to sell the identical knife it makes for one of its customers.</font>
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Huh? They do it all the time. There might be some difference in this case, though; sometimes there is.

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Fact: Carbon V is not an officially recognized steel. It is a marketing trade name for Cold Steel and has changed over the years.

Fact: Cold Steel has an employee who personally inspects all the knives that come out of @*&$^#@%.

Fact: Cold Steel has some of the best dollar value knives made for them by other makers.

Fact: Cold Steel makes NOTHING that I am aware of. All of their knives are made for them.

Fact: The Cold Steel CV knives are made in the USA by @*&$^#@% and Ontario no longer makes there US line.

Fact: Lynn Thompson is a master of HYPE and Marketing. I mean that as a compliment! You guys can rip that one to shreds but you must admire the ability. Damn I thougt I was good
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Fact: Cold Steel has had a HUGE slump from what I can see over the last year or so.

Fact: Cold Steel knives are KICK ASS sharp out of the box.

Fact: Cold Steel's serration pattern SUCKs. OK Not a fact but my opinion. It works great but how in the hell are you ever going to sharpen it!

OK I am tired. Night
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jeez, i kinda regreat buying two cold steel knives in recent months. Are there any other companies that don't acutually make the knives with their names on them?
 
I remember reading somewhere on the net, possibly on this forum, that the Al Mar SERE 2000 is actually made by Paragon. Maybe someone can clarify this.



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I remember reading somewhere on the net, possibly on this forum, that the Al Mar SERE 2000 is actually made by Paragon. Maybe someone can clarify this.

 
I remember reading somewhere on the net, possibly on this forum, that the Al Mar SERE 2000 is actually made by Paragon. Maybe someone can clarify this.

 
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