New cold steel stuff

Spyderco makes some superb knives, and some truly hideous ones. I guess they do it to ensure more designs for collectors. Who cares? After all, buying a knife you don't like is not mandatory.

Cold Steel has some exciting stuff there, and I don't know (or care) if they're stolen or not.

If someone has more technical info on these designs, please enrich this thread.

:D
 
J85909266 said:
I guess if you like cheesy looking Sci Fi knives...
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No, I don't like cheesy sci fi knives. I like, however, that AK-47 knife which doesn't look at all like a cheesy sci fi knife. Furthermore, I'm sure there are other people with good taste who too are interested in it. The steel is AUS-8, and the handle looks to be very ergonomically friendly. So, I'm going to consider purchasing one.
 
To me a knife is a knife and if it's made well of good steel and I like it,I'll buy it regaurdless if who makes it (I dislike Kershaw-but they have a mod or two I'd like to buy :p )

The karambit;skean dhu and urban dart catch my fancy.:cool:
 
Thirteenth Star said:
No, I don't like cheesy sci fi knives. I like, however, that AK-47 knife which doesn't look at all like a cheesy sci fi knife. Furthermore, I'm sure there are other people with good taste who too are interested in it. The steel is AUS-8, and the handle looks to be very ergonomically friendly. So, I'm going to consider purchasing one.
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Good, buy thirty of them, but it still looks like it fell out of a stormtrooper's pocket. :p
 
Tanto Fiend said:
None of my Cold Steel knives are made in China.
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That's even sadder.

Tanto Fiend said:
Enough with the propaganda already.
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Mmmh, propaganda. Interesting choice of words, given that Cold Steel is the propaganda king itself with their "solid proof" DVDs.

But how about some hard facts: As far as I am aware the patent on the AXIS lock has not yet expired and you don't want to tell me in all ernest that you don't see the resemblence, do you? Also, it makes me sick seeing what's-his-name on the cover of the "Solid Proof" DVD holding a BLATANT RIP-OFF of one of Brian Tighe's designs (the Tighe Stick) that has never been licenced or approved and if you do a search on this forum, you will find out just how Brian Tighe felt about this. And these are not the only designs of questionable origin.

True, not ALL designs are rip-offs but it seems to be a reoccuring problem and enough to make me shun Cold Steel all together.

And I will point out obvious copies when ever I see one whether you want to hear it or not. It's the least I can do since legal repercussions are rare in this domain.
 
This is to Hob:

I was specifically talking about their new knives. Sure they have 2 knives that i notice are rip-offs but thats it.

to the axis lock statement:

From pics i have seen the axis lock and ultra lock are completely different. I can't find pics right now bbut i will look for both types later on. Why doesn't SOG get any bad rep about the axis lock? They have a lock that is very similar to it as well.

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Originally Posted by Tanto Fiend
None of my Cold Steel knives are made in China.

That's even sadder.
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That doesn't even make sense. Most of cold steels knives are made in taiwan or U.S. So please clarify your sadness.
 
The Ultra lock it exactly the same right down to the springs. The only difference is that it engages into the blade rather than above it.
 
I don't much care what the AK-47 knife looks like. Sure, it's ugly, but so are the Spydies I so love. What does annoy me is the blatant rip-off of two superb design features(Emerson's WAVE, and Benchmade's AXIS).

This causes me to further praise Spyderco for honoring Mr. Emerson's design with their collaborations.:thumbup:
 
Well, I'm not sure if y'all knew this, but good ol' Lynn pays BM a fee because his Ultralock is too much like the Axis. So BM is good to go. As far as their cheesy, stupid, attempt to get around the patent on the Wave, we'll have to see. I think its wrong, but then again, I don't buy CS products. Ever.

-Anthony
 
Well, I am not so sure whether BM is really good to go. But that is not for me to decide. I guess it depends how much of a fee they see. As Sal Glesser once explained, the real value of a new feature is in the acknowledgement of the inventor. When Spyderco withdrew the licence of the hole for the AFCK it was done so because they felt that BM did not acknowledge the Spyderco for the feature sufficiently, even though the royalties were not an issue. I don't see Cold Steel acknowledging where they got that lock from, even though everybody on this forum knows. The new Endura/Delica are advertised as having the Emerson wave, while some Spydies have a Walker linerlock and others have a Reeve style integral lock.

As to my sadness: When Tanto Fiend said that non of his Cold Steels were made in China, I took it that they were made in the US or another country that in general honors trademarks and patents or at least used to do so. And it is always sad to see when practices like this spread to places that used to be above this kind of dealing through the back door.

Face it, what really happens here is that a company is taking advantage of the fact that legal battles are expensive. So even if you are perfectly in the right it doesn't do you any good because enforcing your right requires lots of time and money. Another company knows that and infringes just so much that they slip under the radar in the hope that it will not be worth the while for the infringed company to start a legal battle. Since we are talking pretty small companys here that often works....usually in the disfavor of the infringed company (or knifemaker as it were).

So you think it is ok to first rip off a design and than proudly show THAT design on the cover of a DVD which sole purpose is to show how great your own products and designs are? That just adds insult to injury. Or is it ok because the rip off occured last year :rolleyes: ? Or is it ok because Cold Steel has fewer rip offs (or *gasp* NONE, what a novel concept! ooops... I forgot the wave feature) in the 2006 line up?

And I guess you can figure what I think of these kind of practices :barf:.
 
Forgive me, I'm new to this forum and I'm trying to find out why so many hate Cold Steel. I've got only two CS knives, and I like both of them quite a bit. Considering what they cost, I think I got more than what I paid for relative to a lot of other companies. I gather that the chief complaint against CS is unlicensed copies of other people's designs. Is this the primary reason people hate CS, or is it something else?
 
That and how cheesy their videos and marketing are. They make good production knives otherwise.
 
Well, this thread is about how the new CS product line looks like and there are a few unpleasant things that catch the eye. This thread has not been about CS quality, even though there have been some mixed feelings on that as well. But I am not qualified to speak on that as I don't own nor ever will own any CS products. Thankfully there are alternatives and they are not THAT great a deal, that I couldn't afford to give my money to someone else.
 
Oh look! They ripped off the Louisville Slugger! :rolleyes:

I admit to being rather partial to Cold Steel products, but nothing on those 4 pages really has got me interested . . . and yeah, the "AK-47" is most definitely a Sci-Fi knife. Never liked the Scimitar, so why upgrade it to a Talwar?

The Vaquero Grande is great, so why didn't they do anything new with that? A 5" version? Why not make a 7" or 8" version? Or make one with a plain edge or sharpened clip? They really need to bring back an improved version of their discontinued Kydex sheath -- one that doesn't grab so tight (hadta jam my Vaquero in upside down to stretch it out proper).

Glad to see they brought back their discontinued push daggers, and the new "Braveheart" skean dhu looks cool . . . really wish that the'd bring back the 5" serrated Culloden, though . . . with an improved low-riding sheath.

Of course, since the "Urban Dart" is totally useless, I'll definitely be purchasing a few! Looks like they combined the best elements of the "Spike" and "Desperado" to make a far better knife than either.
It shall be mine. . .
 
buckg said:
Forgive me, I'm new to this forum and I'm trying to find out why so many hate Cold Steel.
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It's not really so many. It's a few who can't get over it.

Cold Steel has a lot of good knives and other gear. They also have a few cheapies for the non-knife-knut market. They are extremely innovative and carry items like sticks and spears and axes that other companies don't. They are into traditional and ethnic designs.

The videos are fun, if you like that sort of thing. I do. Some don't -- and can't control the emotions roused by their allegiance to some other company's advertising. :p

I wouldn't mind the whining so much but it's a shame that with so many threads on "Why I Hate Cold Steel" they have to come to a thread about "New cold steel stuff " and distract the discussion from this topic they supposedly don't even care about, like a vendetta.

It's "Lynn Thompson Derangement Syndrome".
 
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