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I did a Google search and it just came up with alot of random crap.
Whats the Army issuing for that now? The M9 bayonet?
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I did a Google search and it just came up with alot of random crap.
Whats the Army issuing for that now? The M9 bayonet?
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I had a busted up M9. I have butter knives sharper than it was, and the tip was broken off. O the shame of watching a perfectly good thrust bounce off a target. And I was at Benning, too. :grumpy:
it has some kind of silly forward-facing hook on the edge nearest the handle.
It looks to me like a game designer looked at pics of various tactical knives and mashed them together with a little mall ninja flair.
Someone Say Mall Ninja!?? OoooooooooooooLet me take a lookeeeee.
Hell yeah that's one sweet looking knife . .kinda like a MOD got drunk, used and abused buy a Strider and had a little MT offspring, and with that sweet "multifunctional serrated pimple poker edge" made and stamped by Nissan, I' d be the first Ninja at the Mall to buy one.
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Neither, it's a fixed blade. There are several gameplay movies at www.gametrailers.com
The first couple games in the series, Sam did't have a knife, which I thought was wrong
Then in the third, he was using one to slice open tents, poke holes in gas tanks, bust locks, strip wire, and covertly deanimate, lol. Now in the latest, he also busts through frozen lakes and cuts chainlink fence.
I'm such a geek
The first couple games in the series, Sam did't have a knife, which I thought was wrong
Then in the third, he was using one to slice open tents, poke holes in gas tanks, bust locks, strip wire, and covertly deanimate, lol. Now in the latest, he also busts through frozen lakes and cuts chainlink fence.I'm such a geek
Don't want to call you out, but you are wrong about the Marine Corps. MCMAP (Marine Corps Martial Arts Program) does have knife fighting techniques that progress with the which belt you are training for.
Neither, it's a fixed blade. There are several gameplay movies at www.gametrailers.com
The first couple games in the series, Sam did't have a knife, which I thought was wrong
I'm such a geek
Wow!! IT can cut through Chainlink fenceses!!??
. .It's like wolverine's Claws . . I WANT ONE! :yawn: Now time for one of my patnented prayers!
"Oh please God of GOds . . .come down from your mighty throne and bless me with such a knife!"
Wow . .I haven't prayed that hard since I saw Luke fire up that Light saber in Staw Wars. . .hmmmm . .thinking back I wasn't praying for a "lightsaber" . .it was a "Lifesaver"!
No wonder my prayers weren't answered!
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I have a lot of students that are in or have been in the military.
They all say that they were never "issued" a knife that if they had one they had to acquire it on their own.
I have 3 students that are former marines. The 4 hours of "martial arts" training they received is pure crap and they did absolutely no knife combat training at all. They never trained for any "belts". I would be interested in hearing about this MCMAP and what actual martial art style(s) it incorporated. I think that all the military is slowly going to the new army combatives system sooner or later, if I'm not mistaken...
If that is a folder and that big silver button is the pivot, then the blade will poke out about an inch from the butt of the handle when closed. If it is a fixed blade then the pins in the scales are not in a very structurally sound position. Also, if it is a fixed blade then why the "pivot" button and why a thumb stud? The grind is reminiscent of MercWorx and some Brend grinds I have seen. Not a bad grind if you got rid of the sawteeth.
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They all say that they were never "issued" a knife that if they had one they had to acquire it on their own.
I have 3 students that are former marines. The 4 hours of "martial arts" training they received is pure crap and they did absolutely no knife combat training at all. They never trained for any "belts". I would be interested in hearing about this MCMAP and what actual martial art style(s) it incorporated. I think that all the military is slowly going to the new army combatives system sooner or later, if I'm not mistaken...
If that is a folder and that big silver button is the pivot, then the blade will poke out about an inch from the butt of the handle when closed. If it is a fixed blade then the pins in the scales are not in a very structurally sound position. Also, if it is a fixed blade then why the "pivot" button and why a thumb stud? The grind is reminiscent of MercWorx and some Brend grinds I have seen. Not a bad grind if you got rid of the sawteeth.
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here's a pdf on MCMAP
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/milreview/yi.pdf#search="mcmap"
I saw the Marines doing it in central California. They did a good bit of grappling and trained in body armor sometimes. There was also a SEAL who trained anyone from the 4 branches who wanted extra instruction.
As for the knife design, some computer artist whipped it up from stuff he saw on the net or in magazines, most likely. The design really isn't important.
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/milreview/yi.pdf#search="mcmap"
I saw the Marines doing it in central California. They did a good bit of grappling and trained in body armor sometimes. There was also a SEAL who trained anyone from the 4 branches who wanted extra instruction.
As for the knife design, some computer artist whipped it up from stuff he saw on the net or in magazines, most likely. The design really isn't important.
Hey Cam, it sounds as if your students were part of the old school LINE training. MCMAP is no where near the end all be but you must remember it is not about some silly point system or getting the judges to rule in your favor if you don't get the knock out. Also the "m" in Marines is always capitalized. Thanks
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I want that knife.That isnt the finished model.Atleast it doesnt look like that in-game.
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One probably was as he is 43 now and has been out for quite a while. The other 2 are freshly out. I don't know how "old school" the LINE system was but it would have to be pretty old for them to have been a part of it. Funny coincidence, our oldest Marine's nickname is Ol'Skool...LOL!
That's good to know because when these guys first started they never lasted long enough to score any points or make it to a decision. Their H2H skills were horrid.
Sorry, I am aware of that, it was simply an oversight of a typo on my behalf.
I have trained a Delta Force guy (who was also a triathlon competitor) and a Navy SEAL. Never had any experience with Green Berets but had quite a few Rangers. Although they were all tough guys and had a lot of physical attributes their actual H2H skills were horrible comparatively.
As far as the Rangers go, this is changing because Matt Larsen and co. have implemented the new Army Combatives program (which a lot of the other military branches are adopting) which is based on modern MMA training. Be careful when you try to make snide remarks about point systems and judges because that system is what is being taught to the military and will probably be universal in a few years. You can't argue with success and statistics, no matter how badly you want to beleive that points and judges make a difference. They don't. Actual skills make the difference, whether in the ring, cage, alley, bar or battlefield.
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I have the game, and it is AWESOME!!!. . The knife shots are pretty impressive looking although it may not be functional . ..funny thing is the specs page of the knife claims that it is "high carbon stainless steel" with a coating on it as to prevent reflection in covert operations .. .hmmm that's funny . . when you look at the blade it looks rght back at ya . . . huh? . . oh those are my eyes . .damn blade shinier than Clay Akins ass on a sunday night.
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I know.Very shiny.It's not a folder though.Atleast he never folds it in-game.
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Curious, anyone have an idea on carrying a MOD MK IV sideways as in the game? It seems as if it would be more comfortable than having the handle dig into your side...
I never considered a folder to be a trusted combat knife. Great for opening MRE's, cutting open that tough cardboard on supplies, but not for "save your life" stuff. That's what a fixed blade is for. Nope, the Army never issued a knife to me, other than a bayonet (which I never consider to be a combat knife) so I bought one - actually several.
I just completed Army basic training and OCS at Ft. Benning. I graduated OCS on November 1st. In basic we where given a total of about 6 hours of instruction in Modern Army Combatives. This was limited to grappling only, no strikes and was very basic. We also had a three hour block of bayonet traing prior to running the bayonet course. In OCS we conducted combatives as our morning PT once per week. This amounted to about 15 hours total. As in basic this was ground fighting only though at a slightly higher intensity level. No knife techniques where tought offensive or defensive. Knives where forbidden in Basic to include multi tools. OCS had a three inch blade limit. VERY few people had anything other than a multi tool.
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I've never seen what the knife looks like in Splinter Cell but according to the wikipedia entry, it looks like Gerber Guardian Backup/ SOG Pentagon
"The player first got the chance to wield Fisher's knife in Chaos Theory. In the first novel, it is described as a USMC Ka-bar with a hilt covered in compressed leather of standard design. In the third novel, Sam uses a Fairbairn-Sykes dagger, given to him by Frank Bunch, a close friend of Sam's father. However, in Chaos Theory, some close-ups of the hilt suggest that it is custom made. The knife appears to be double-edged, with a blade roughly 5 inches long, and lacks any sort of guard.. It has a central groove called a "fuller" in order to reduce weight, often mistakenly called a "blood groove". With the exception of its large size, the knife is very similar to the Gerber Guardian Back Up or an SOG Pentagon. In Splinter Cell: Double Agent, the knife looks very different and is described as, quote:
"SC 'Protector' double-edged combat knife. Overall length 7 1/2 inches with a 3 and 3/8 inch, black oxidized high carbon stainless steel blade to prevent reflections and a black polymer rubber handle."
This description is contradicted by the knife's visual appearance in-game and in cutscenes. It appears much larger, with a silver, partially serrated blade that is roughly 5 inches long. It also appears to be single-edged, and may even be a folding knife as it has a thumb-stud near the spine and a visible liner-lock, though it is still carried opened in a sheath.
Fisher carries his knife horizontally at the back of his belt, allowing him to draw it easily and quickly in either forward or reverse grips. When attacking with it, he always aims for the heart, throat, or axillary artery, and thus a single strike with the weapon always results in the immediate takedown of the target. In addition to being a deadly weapon, Fisher also makes use of it as a multipurpose tool in the field. He can use the knife to interrogate suspects, cut tent-fabric, chainlink fences, wires, and plastic sheeting, break locks, disable small machinery (such as gas powered generators), defuse bombs, pry hidden microphones from walls, and strip wires to tap into phone lines and camera feeds."
"The player first got the chance to wield Fisher's knife in Chaos Theory. In the first novel, it is described as a USMC Ka-bar with a hilt covered in compressed leather of standard design. In the third novel, Sam uses a Fairbairn-Sykes dagger, given to him by Frank Bunch, a close friend of Sam's father. However, in Chaos Theory, some close-ups of the hilt suggest that it is custom made. The knife appears to be double-edged, with a blade roughly 5 inches long, and lacks any sort of guard.. It has a central groove called a "fuller" in order to reduce weight, often mistakenly called a "blood groove". With the exception of its large size, the knife is very similar to the Gerber Guardian Back Up or an SOG Pentagon. In Splinter Cell: Double Agent, the knife looks very different and is described as, quote:
"SC 'Protector' double-edged combat knife. Overall length 7 1/2 inches with a 3 and 3/8 inch, black oxidized high carbon stainless steel blade to prevent reflections and a black polymer rubber handle."
This description is contradicted by the knife's visual appearance in-game and in cutscenes. It appears much larger, with a silver, partially serrated blade that is roughly 5 inches long. It also appears to be single-edged, and may even be a folding knife as it has a thumb-stud near the spine and a visible liner-lock, though it is still carried opened in a sheath.
Fisher carries his knife horizontally at the back of his belt, allowing him to draw it easily and quickly in either forward or reverse grips. When attacking with it, he always aims for the heart, throat, or axillary artery, and thus a single strike with the weapon always results in the immediate takedown of the target. In addition to being a deadly weapon, Fisher also makes use of it as a multipurpose tool in the field. He can use the knife to interrogate suspects, cut tent-fabric, chainlink fences, wires, and plastic sheeting, break locks, disable small machinery (such as gas powered generators), defuse bombs, pry hidden microphones from walls, and strip wires to tap into phone lines and camera feeds."