New Computer - going from PC to iMac

I doubt the $400 knife is made in China with Chinese parts.


How many modern computers are not made in China with Chinese parts?;)

OT, I went to True Value last Wednesday and happened to be looking at the power tools. When a salesman asked me if he could help me I told him that I was looking for a drill motor that was not made in China. He said,"Good luck with that", a walked away. :D

It's pretty sad when a Korean company has a lot of their stuff made in China. (Samsung)
 
As far as the mac vs windows debate, at this point it really does not matter. Here are the Pros and cons as I see them:
Mac has very well configured and thought out hardware, their designs tend to focus on having one really well put together hardware package then make variants that will bump the price up. As an example the Macbook Pro line chassis has been basically the same since late 2008 with revisions coming at least every 10-12 months. From apples standpoint they would rather spend the money up front designing something that will last a long time (design wise) and do it once than redesign every 2 months and have to reengineer the entire system like most Windows laptops.
Have you ever noticed that most windows laptops tend to chase the latest and greatest competitors? This is great if you are looking for cutting edge features like USB 3.0 and such but the thing that can happen with that is the drivers are usually not up to par. I have had more issues with drivers on laptops than I care to think about!
So think what you may,but Apple has the design chops to win design awards and not many windows laptops can say that.

Now having said all this great stuff about apple you may think me a fanboy, I'm not. Apple has some glaring short sightedness in thinking that they are the center of the tech universe. I am starting to think of apple in the same way that Sony used to behave, in the betamax vs VHS and the Memory stick VS SD card arenas. The thing that I see is that Apple seems to want to keep a closed environment as far as tech goes, for instance they have yet to release any products with Blu-Ray drives, why is that? They are busy pushing their own movie service... iTunes. I hate to say it but iTunes experience sucks; sure the design is pretty, but the search is terrible for anything online, and getting accurate info on apps and what they do is a joke. As for the new ThunderBolt interface I think it will go the same way as Apples previous iteration FireWire, sure it was neat for video and such but not much good for anything else. Plus they just released a new cable that will cost $50, for that I could buy some really "Special" Monster Cables, LOL.

The nice part about Apple and windows using the same underlying hardware is that Operating systems are easily replaced or run simultaneously. So if you decide that you don't like OS X (apples Operating system) Blast it off of there and throw whatever suits your fancy. I will say that I bought my macbook with that caveat in mind and I have yet to need to blast OS X off. Though in fairness I have had to put a windows partition on to run my engineering software (Solidworks, Pro-Engineer/Mechanica, Inventor) but I find when I finish doing whatever projects in those programs I am reloading into OS X. I find it simpler, and truthfully most of the stuff that goes on these days is done through the web anyways.

My vote is that Apple has the advantage of being able to compete with no one on quality for their design of the systems goes. There simply is no one making stuff in their ballpark and as people have said they are willing to not let the accountants get in the way and tell them how to make their product substantially cheaper because that would directly affect their reputation. For all of these people thinking I'd rather have a dell, or a HP or whatever just remember that in todays computer market the underlying hardware is all the same no one makes it in house anymore. So you are really paying for the way that the hardware is assembled and the support that is offered when you choose what company to buy from.

If you really think about it dell and HP and every other manufacturer really could care less what kind of service they offer, just as long as they are not last on the service rankings list... If they are first that means that the accountants need to tighten the screws and wring some more profits from the company to pay for the important stuff like private planes and political donations, lol.

As for the made in China thing, are you serious? I know some people that will refuse to buy things made over there and in my mind that is just odd. Jobs have been being outsourced from the developed nations to the developing for a very long time. Taiwan, Japan, India as far as I can see there are jobs going over that are not the most desirable (call center, manufacturing, etc.) I say let them have them. Once some of the technologies in the pipeline develop a bit more those jobs will be obsolete anyways then they will have to worry about losing those jobs to someone willing to do it cheaper. I remember one of my design profs talking about how in the 1980's products from Japan were thought of as crap; would you say the same today? I sure wouldn't! I feel that the same till be true of China in another 10-15 years. The trouble with high quality is that it costs substantially more to design and produce which is why china who is focused on the mass production of cheap goods will have to stop relying on producing for export and try to get their internal consumption up to remain competitive. The market for high quality is already pretty saturated between US, UK, Germany, Japan, Sweden, and many others. China will have to adapt but with their cheap workforce that will be tough and when the income inequality becomes great enough there will be trouble.

So I say take the time that this Global recession is providing to invest in your lifelong education even if it just means get a book and read it (or surf Wikipedia).

this has been the 2 cents of a Mechanical Design Engineer, as well as having 10 years in IT.
 
One more comment about MS vs Apple. How about the price of their OS? When my Dell PC died for the 2nd time, a kid who works at the shop got it working again and put Windows 7 Ultimate on it. Great, but it turns out that it is pirated software.:o So, I am looking to buy Win7. How much? $220?:eek: On eBay they are going for around $100 to $150.

So, my iMac has OS X 10.5.8. If I want to upgrade to the latest OS, I may have to upgrade to 10.6 first. $20. The new OS, 10.7 is $30.

The other thing I like about the iMac is how quickly it boots. 45 seconds and it's ready to go. None of my PCs would be up and running in less then 3 minutes and as they got older it took longer and longer. I have a Lenovo laptop that has very little use and it takes 5 minutes to go through all it's gyrations. :rolleyes:

I am sure that there are things to make my PC load faster, but I am not a computer guru.
 
The OS will boot quicker because it is most likely running a Solid State Hard drive or has a partition made specifically for the boot.

I know a lot of people like Apple stuff because its generally attractive (hardware and software) and easy to use (hardware and software). That being said, a lot of their stuff is proprietary and locked down. For a lot of people, this isn't an issue. For me it is. You're paying for convenience and design with a mac.

If I didn't know much about computers, I'd probably go with a Mac too honestly; but I do, so I don't :D
 
If you really think about it dell and HP and every other manufacturer really could care less what kind of service they offer, just as long as they are not last on the service rankings list... If they are first that means that the accountants need to tighten the screws and wring some more profits from the company to pay for the important stuff like private planes and political donations, lol.

It isn't really fair to compare Dell and HP to Apple as they're only hardware designers.
 
I am an IT Pro and we are a mostly Windows shop. We have a few Macs which I predominantly support. I've also built a Mac/Windows network with a Mac server (running OS X Server). I use a MacBook pro at home and love it. I am not a Windows hater, I think Windows 7 is nice. And some of the things it does are much better than the way Apple does things with OS X. I also think Windows 7 is a hodge-podge mess in a lot of ways. However, once you learn the way Apple does things, they tend to start making more sense. There's a lot of mis-information out there about both which usually crops up in these sort of topics. But the main thing is, they are both good, one might be better at some things, the other better at other things. All I know is, I don't "work" on our home computer anymore since going with a Mac.
 
The OS will boot quicker because it is most likely running a Solid State Hard drive or has a partition made specifically for the boot.

I know a lot of people like Apple stuff because its generally attractive (hardware and software) and easy to use (hardware and software). That being said, a lot of their stuff is proprietary and locked down. For a lot of people, this isn't an issue. For me it is. You're paying for convenience and design with a mac.

If I didn't know much about computers, I'd probably go with a Mac too honestly; but I do, so I don't :D

Nope, it's just more efficient. I've done a fresh install of OSX and W7 (bootcamp) on my MacBook Pro. OSX takes about 45 seconds from the power button to being fully functional, and W7 takes a bit over a minute. That's with a couple very small programs on start up. The main reason why most Windows computers take so long to boot is because they come pre-loaded with many, many stupid bloatware programs that bog down start up. When you do a fresh install of W7 it will boot pretty quick also.
 
I've had my Macbook Pro for almost a year now and I love it. It does take some getting used too but it is perfect. The most amazing thing that I have noticed is how flawless it runs, I have never had a crash or a virus. Every program runs and does exactly what it should. There is a way to enable right click in the functions. I have a Logitech mouse so I've never had to. Check out youtube for lots of tutorials on them. If you have a iphone or ipad just plug it into your mac and watch the magic happen, they were all made to work together..:thumbup: I'm still learning a lot about my Mac as I really only use it for internet, music and movies. I should really spend more time learning how this thing really works considering I spent $3000 on a laptop.
 
The latest Apple mice that ship with Mac computers for the last several years ARE two button mice. It may not be obvious because the surface is touch sensitive and you don't see a physical left and right click button. By default, the secondary right-click button is turned off. Open system preferences and go to the "mouse" panel to enable it.
 
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