New CRKT: Folding Hissatsu 2

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New CRKT: Folding Hissatsu 2

Specifications
Blade: Length: 3.125" (79 mm)
Thickness: 0.122" (3.1 mm)
Steel: AUS 8, 58-59 HRC
Closed: Handle length: 4.0"
(102 mm)
Open: Overall length: 7.00" (178 mm)
Weight: 3.6 oz. (102 g)

http://www.crkt.com/Folding-Hissatsu-2---3125-Blade-Razor-Sharp-Edge-OutBurst-LAWKS-Knife

What I like: Finally a satin blade. I hate the mall ninja black blade.
What I do not like: The japanese characters on the scales makes it look mall ninja.
 
I would have left it alone. Same knife, just not as clean looking. Hard to see it as a serious with the 'new' look. If I had to pull it out for it's intended purpose, I would not have to use it, as the 'bad guy' would be on the floor laughing......
 
I dont have the first model but I believe they were very awkward to open, I wonder if this one is also.
 
I would have left it alone. Same knife, just not as clean looking. Hard to see it as a serious with the 'new' look. If I had to pull it out for it's intended purpose, I would not have to use it, as the 'bad guy' would be on the floor laughing......

That's a good moment to stab the guy though.
 
Bring a knife to a gunfight, stab them while they're laughing :D

I've been curious about CRKT's assisted opening mechanism... the spring/torsion bar looks quite sturdy. I just wish they had some less mall-ninja offerings that feature it and more U.S./Japan/German built offerings :rolleyes:
 
I've got the first one ;actually just took it apart the other day for a guy here -needed to know if you could. Anyhow the bar will relax a bit over time, in my case it took what I'd guess as a months worth of opening varying from 5 to 15 times a day. When I took it apart the other day I decided to bend the bar a tad see if I can get that ridiculously hard snap back and I was successful.

Dont get me wrong, it was not weak at all, it still had enough kick to it to make you nervous for a new user; and of course fast. I simply wanted that "new" feel to it since I was maintenanceing it at that point.

As far as it being awkward to open, I can see that at first. It really has a kick, enough to jump out your hand if your not holding it correctly or get nervous haha. I know of no other AO or even auto that kicks this hard. When you do it a few times it's not a big deal, you just know you gotta hold onto it haha. Yes, the bar is very sturdy and removable too.
 
nemesis27, can you give us a review of the new Folding Hissatsu 2? Can you compare it to the original large Folding Hissatsu?
 
The handle to blade ratio does look a bit wonky at first, but the longer you own it the more it seems appropriate. The knife is basically a samurai sword; the blade and handle have both been downsized to make it more pocket friendly, but not quite at the same ratio.

Regarding use and carry, the Hissatsu folder is a purpose built weapon; it was made expressly to give you a means of killing people when no better means is prudent or available. Any other chores it can perform - namely, those of most knives - are secondary to that.

This is a figure in the knife's utility. The blade geometry prioritizes slashing and stabbing ability, making it a so-so slicer with only moderate shearing ability. The handle, too, was designed to be used in fighting grips, during violent encounters that tend to be over rather quickly. This can make the handle awkward in more utilitarian grips, and can also make it slippery if you're using it for more than a few seconds at a time.

The pocket carry is also affected by the knife's weapon-first role. The knife is easy to draw and open in a hurry, especially for a knife without a wave on the blade, but to this end it is not very pocket-friendly. When using the clip, a good deal of the knife sticks out of the pocket, so as to be easily found and grasped. Unless you're wearing a long jacket, though, or at least dark pants, the big black knob at your side sticks out like a sore thumb and pretty much screams knife.

The assisted open is definitely a nice point; yes, it's incredibly strong, but not so much as to make the knife unruly. If you're holding the knife like you ought to, the opening force is strong but not unreasonable; it's like the difference between nudging the gas pedal and flooring it. Sometimes the torsion bar makes the opening action gritty or sticky, especially while it's wearing in, but a bit of oil or grease where the torsion bar touches the blade can make a world of difference.

There's a lot of talk on this forum of mall-ninjas and armchair-commandos and the like, but when you think about it, that's what a lot of us are. It's a guilty pleasure, maybe, but ultimately a part of our hobby and nothing to really be ashamed of.
After all, we're talking about a purpose-built weapon here; if you own one (I do) and are not a spy or special operator or something, (I am not), and you don't consider yourself a mall-ninja, you're in denial. If you want a utility knife, look elsewhere.
 
Hey Nim, are all the black bladed Emersons and black bladed Militarys [ for example] 'mall ninja' knives as well?
Anyway, I've always admired the look of both the Hissatsu fixed blade and full sized folder and I'd own them both if there was a retailer carrying CKRT anywhere near me. One day I'll have to do an on-line purchase. The small Hissatsu looks okay to me as well but I'll always go with a big folder over a small one.
 
nemesis27, can you give us a review of the new Folding Hissatsu 2? Can you compare it to the original large Folding Hissatsu?

No I have the 1st one as stated not the new one :( I've actually been thinking about taking it back apart and putting a high polished finish on it. I think that would look beautiful. Be even neater if I could get a nice hamon it but that'll never happen lol. Anyway like Hobo said regarding the geometry ;and to add, thickness, I decided to thin mine out a tad. Unfortunately for aesthetics, I removed the separation of grinds; it's now a consistent edge thanks to my inability to sharpen correctly when I got the knife. I have been thinking about getting another one polish up vs this one but once again it'll be the original model as I'm not very fond of the handle on the new one, just personal taste.
 
This is funny. The Japanese characters read "bing fa" (that's the Mandarin pronunciation, but the characters are the same.) which means "art of war" as in Sun Tzu.

Pretty darn mall-ninja, but a nice knife all the same.
 
I handled the prototype Hissatsu 2 over at the CRKT booth at BLADE this year. It feels good in the hand for a smaller folder and I like it a lot. I just don't care for the "outburst" feature. It packs a punch when opening such a small folder. Other than that I think it is a real winner. The CRKT rep said that it should be arriving to them this month and we should start seeing it becoming available by the end of June and into July if all goes as planned.
 
I just bought a Hissatsu 2 from Amazon.com. I like it .. within its limitations. It’s not a fighter, but what I call a “gentleman’s knife” in a fighter style. It is, however, a quality product that exceeds the expectations of its sub-$50 price point.

First, let’s address the scales since that’s the biggest gripe from the critics. (I love it when people complain about things before they touch them or even see them in person. Really? I mean, REALLY?) Anyway, the specs say zytel, but the scales look and feel more like linen micarta. There's layers and grain to the texture as well as evidence of milling and polishing. The kanji is deep and appears to be milled, not engraved or molded. If indeed it does say “Art of War” then that’s a good thing. Being a redneck zen kinda guy, I like it. Overall, the quality of the scales remind me of some of my old Al Mar folders.

CRKT’s so-called “Outburst” option sucks. Assisted opening knives desperately need flippers (a la the classic Carson design). Thumb studs and discs are not healthy when used with assisted openers. The spring creates so much initial resistance that you end up pushing down on the blade so hard – and therefore follow through with so much pressure – that you risk cutting yourself. None of the assisted openers I’ve ever had were worth the trouble unless they had a flipper/guard/whatever you wanna call it. The only one I have that I’ve kept is the SOG Twitch.

Anywaaaaaaaay … I took out the spring in both of my Hissatsu folders. You might have to take the knife apart to do this. You need a Torx #6 to loosen the retaining screw. The spring in the larger folder was easily pulled out. The smaller one required complete disassembly. I couldn’t even drive it out with a steel punch. I ended up putting the spacer in a vice and using vice grips.

The effort was worth it, though. Get this: THE LARGER KNIFE IS ACTUALLY FASTER TO OPEN WITH NO SPRING THAN IT IS WITH THE SPRING. I like both knives 100% more without the spring assist. Oh, sure, you can impress your friends and all with the snappy little “click” but so what? I prefer control and safety. Keep in mind that the smaller Hissatsu 2 blade is not nearly as heavy as the larger knife blade so the inertia/momentum trick don’t work quite as well. Still, it’s faster without the spring.

One technique that works for me on both Hissatsu folders is using the thumb disc like an Emerson wave. I learned this on the Boker Chad Los Banos Subcom series. On those knives the scales are thinner than the thumb studs and it’s a simple matter of dragging the knife sideways against the edge of your pocket (as opposed to the top against the edge with the Emerson Wave) to expedite opening.

The large Hissatsu folder is a literally a snap to open this way. I have to force myself not to do it when I don’t want it to pop open. If you miss just flip the wrist and it’ll open up, way faster than any automatic or assisted opener.

The smaller Hissatsu 2 folder takes a little more effort. I suspect if you opened up the index finger groove a little bit the technique would work even better.

The Hissatsu 2 blade – like its larger brother – is multi-faceted and sleek. It’s more of a saber grind than hollow. I wish it was flat ground, but whattayagonnado? The knife out of the box isn’t particularly sharp, but AUS-8 is good steel and depending on the heat treatment ought to take a decent edge.

Aesthetically, the graphics on the blade are a bit much, way more offensive than the so-called “mall ninja” kanji. The “CRKT” on one side of the blade is all right, but “William HissatsuTM 2” is garish and probably will be polished away (if I keep the knife). The bigger the better. Actually, shouldn’t it be “Hissatsu 2TM”? The “TM” is a really good move, artistically speaking. Better if the whole thing had been more in proportion to the diminutive size of the blade.

By the way, in regards to the original Hissatsu folder …. Putting the word “folder” on the side of a folding knife is like putting “sword” on the side of a katana or “car” on the side of a car. Why not put “box” on the box it is packaged in, just in case the customer gets confused and thinks it’s a bale of hay. I mea, come one … I work in communications and at the risk of pointing doom in my own direction, some marketing people should just be shot or at least put on an ice floe and left to drift alone to die.

Overall the execution of the Hissatsu 2 is classy and a quality job. If I decide to keep the knife (I sometimes give them away as gifts for favors or to friends who deploy) I would do two things: the scales could use a little bevel to make it even friendlier to my hand; plus, I might polish down the detent ball just a teensy bit to see if I can make it flip open.

After all, I am a mall ninja. I just don’t hang out at the mall.
 
I just bought a Hissatsu 2 from Amazon.com. I like it .. within its limitations. It’s not a fighter, but what I call a “gentleman’s knife” in a fighter style. It is, however, a quality product that exceeds the expectations of its sub-$50 price point.

First, let’s address the scales since that’s the biggest gripe from the critics. (I love it when people complain about things before they touch them or even see them in person. Really? I mean, REALLY?) Anyway, the specs say zytel, but the scales look and feel more like linen micarta. There's layers and grain to the texture as well as evidence of milling and polishing. The kanji is deep and appears to be milled, not engraved or molded. If indeed it does say “Art of War” then that’s a good thing. Being a redneck zen kinda guy, I like it. Overall, the quality of the scales remind me of some of my old Al Mar folders.

CRKT’s so-called “Outburst” option sucks. Assisted opening knives desperately need flippers (a la the classic Carson design). Thumb studs and discs are not healthy when used with assisted openers. The spring creates so much initial resistance that you end up pushing down on the blade so hard – and therefore follow through with so much pressure – that you risk cutting yourself. None of the assisted openers I’ve ever had were worth the trouble unless they had a flipper/guard/whatever you wanna call it. The only one I have that I’ve kept is the SOG Twitch.

Anywaaaaaaaay … I took out the spring in both of my Hissatsu folders. You might have to take the knife apart to do this. You need a Torx #6 to loosen the retaining screw. The spring in the larger folder was easily pulled out. The smaller one required complete disassembly. I couldn’t even drive it out with a steel punch. I ended up putting the spacer in a vice and using vice grips.

The effort was worth it, though. Get this: THE LARGER KNIFE IS ACTUALLY FASTER TO OPEN WITH NO SPRING THAN IT IS WITH THE SPRING. I like both knives 100% more without the spring assist. Oh, sure, you can impress your friends and all with the snappy little “click” but so what? I prefer control and safety. Keep in mind that the smaller Hissatsu 2 blade is not nearly as heavy as the larger knife blade so the inertia/momentum trick don’t work quite as well. Still, it’s faster without the spring.

One technique that works for me on both Hissatsu folders is using the thumb disc like an Emerson wave. I learned this on the Boker Chad Los Banos Subcom series. On those knives the scales are thinner than the thumb studs and it’s a simple matter of dragging the knife sideways against the edge of your pocket (as opposed to the top against the edge with the Emerson Wave) to expedite opening.

The large Hissatsu folder is a literally a snap to open this way. I have to force myself not to do it when I don’t want it to pop open. If you miss just flip the wrist and it’ll open up, way faster than any automatic or assisted opener.

The smaller Hissatsu 2 folder takes a little more effort. I suspect if you opened up the index finger groove a little bit the technique would work even better.

The Hissatsu 2 blade – like its larger brother – is multi-faceted and sleek. It’s more of a saber grind than hollow. I wish it was flat ground, but whattayagonnado? The knife out of the box isn’t particularly sharp, but AUS-8 is good steel and depending on the heat treatment ought to take a decent edge.

Aesthetically, the graphics on the blade are a bit much, way more offensive than the so-called “mall ninja” kanji. The “CRKT” on one side of the blade is all right, but “William HissatsuTM 2” is garish and probably will be polished away (if I keep the knife). The bigger the better. Actually, shouldn’t it be “Hissatsu 2TM”? The “TM” is a really good move, artistically speaking. Better if the whole thing had been more in proportion to the diminutive size of the blade.

By the way, in regards to the original Hissatsu folder …. Putting the word “folder” on the side of a folding knife is like putting “sword” on the side of a katana or “car” on the side of a car. Why not put “box” on the box it is packaged in, just in case the customer gets confused and thinks it’s a bale of hay. I mea, come one … I work in communications and at the risk of pointing doom in my own direction, some marketing people should just be shot or at least put on an ice floe and left to drift alone to die.

Overall the execution of the Hissatsu 2 is classy and a quality job. If I decide to keep the knife (I sometimes give them away as gifts for favors or to friends who deploy) I would do two things: the scales could use a little bevel to make it even friendlier to my hand; plus, I might polish down the detent ball just a teensy bit to see if I can make it flip open.

After all, I am a mall ninja. I just don’t hang out at the mall.

nice review. i also received one of these a few days ago, and even though its not perfect i do like it a lot. they dont cost very much which makes it a great deal. its definitely hard to open though. the blade shape is really awesome.
 
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