New ESEE Camp Lore Blades

The RB3 looks like it might be good for horizontal belt carry if they don't oversize the sheath. Have to see....
 
Franciscomv said:
I'm quite fond of ESEE products, and I like the direction the Camp Lore line is taking (no coated blades, less of a military feel). However, I've learned not to hold my breath waiting for any of their products making it to dealers on the estimated release date.
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Now be fair, just about zero percent of manufacturers meet their projected release dates. I personally think forum members beating this dead horse has caused the loss of KAI and ESEE presence on the forums at a minimum it contributed. Stuff happens and sometimes ideas take years to hit market, would you rather wait until it's set in stone or see things before they're done with all the details.
 
EricV said:
Now be fair, just about zero percent of manufacturers meet their projected release dates. I personally think forum members beating this dead horse has caused the loss of KAI and ESEE presence on the forums at a minimum it contributed. Stuff happens and sometimes ideas take years to hit market, would you rather wait until it's set in stone or see things before they're done with all the details.
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I'm sorry, perhaps what I wrote came out harsher than I intended (English is not my first, nor my second, language). I'm sure ESEE would like to release all of their new products as soon as possible and sell lots of knives.
 
No need to be sorry even if it's not what you intended many many people hold the KAI brand to a higher enthusiast standard for some reason. I was just saying that release date delays aren't unique to one company.
 
You are correct that things happen, but in business if you set release dates and continually fail to meet them you have the right to be criticized by your customers. The blame for people's frustration should rest with ESEE for setting a date in the first place, unless they were sure they could meet it. I know it's not intentional and they won't lose much business because of it, but it's disappointing.

I'm actually not sure where the Camp-Lore knives fall in the ESEE family. It's larger than the Izula II and slightly smaller than the 3, right? Other than a more comfortable handle than the 3 what advantages are there?
 
Fuori said:
You are correct that things happen, but in business if you set release dates and continually fail to meet them you have the right to be criticized by your customers. The blame for people's frustration should rest with ESEE for setting a date in the first place, unless they were sure they could meet it. I know it's not intentional and they won't lose much business because of it, but it's disappointing.

I'm actually not sure where the Camp-Lore knives fall in the ESEE family. It's larger than the Izula II and slightly smaller than the 3, right? Other than a more comfortable handle than the 3 what advantages are there?
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Again, haven't actually held these, but the RB3 is designed to have a stouter blade-grind that the 3 which adds strength for wood-use; and the JG3 is designed with a narrower blade-profile that can improve its "agility" when processing game, i.e. it can make tighter curves & twists, and it also has the forward-lean of the Izulas. But if improved comfort, strength, and control don't impress you, you may note that these are uncoated blades so drag will be reduced (and corrosion more likely). Each knife is more specialized that the 3, but neither makes the 3 obsolete. For me, handle-comfort is the priority so either one can supplant the 3, the knife which feels better in hand and cuts just as well is the one you'll use. But if they try to sell them for $100+, there are customs available with better build (mostly harder steel) for similar price, and the 3 is still a functional knife.
 
chiral.grolim said:
Again, haven't actually held these, but the RB3 is designed to have a stouter blade-grind that the 3 which adds strength for wood-use; and the JG3 is designed with a narrower blade-profile that can improve its "agility" when processing game, i.e. it can make tighter curves & twists, and it also has the forward-lean of the Izulas. But if improved comfort, strength, and control don't impress you, you may note that these are uncoated blades so drag will be reduced (and corrosion more likely). Each knife is more specialized that the 3, but neither makes the 3 obsolete. For me, handle-comfort is the priority so either one can supplant the 3, the knife which feels better in hand and cuts just as well is the one you'll use. But if they try to sell them for $100+, there are customs available with better build (mostly harder steel) for similar price, and the 3 is still a functional knife.
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Thank you for the explanation. So, please correct me if I'm wrong, but since they are more specialized a 3 or 4 would still be better for those looking for an all around knife, right?
 
I love ESEE, but they are really slow! The release date has changed several times. I think originally it was set in June/July, now it says October.

I found the ESEE folder. You can't find it on the website, but if you Google "ESEE folder" there is a link to it.

Here is the link. http://eseeknives.com/izula-folder.htm
 
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Fuori said:
Thank you for the explanation. So, please correct me if I'm wrong, but since they are more specialized a 3 or 4 would still be better for those looking for an all around knife, right?
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The ESEE-4 is longer and thicker, bit different but yes less specialized. The ESEE-3 is the closer cousin, compact handle but uncomfortable for some, definitely less specialized. But keep in mind that these knives, as different as they are, are still fairly similar, all could be used across tasks fairly well. The designs are meant to appeal to different tastes. You could carve wood with either the ESEE-3 or the JG3 but the RB3 has more support metal up close in the bevel; you could gut & skin a beast large or small with the ESEE-3 or RB3 but the JG3 has the better design for the task. The RB3 & JG3 designs will each outperform eachother and the ESEE-3 at their specific tasks, the ESEE-3 will not outperform either except perhaps in the opposite task, and the difference there might not be as great as it under-performs in the appropriate task. In the end, the user must decide which knife blade and handle works best for him in the widest variety of tasks. If the RB3 is a little worse skinner but much better carver than the ESEE-3, he/she might prefer it as the better "all around knife" especially if he/she carves more than skins ;)
 
Thank you for those details. After thinking about it I bought another Mora Bushcraft. They are great knives and the same thickness as the Bush-Lore. I like ESEE, but I'm tired of waiting and the Mora is also substantially cheaper. I got an Orange and a Black for what will probably be the price of one of the ESEE.
 
Fuori said:
Thank you for those details. After thinking about it I bought another Mora Bushcraft. They are great knives and the same thickness as the Bush-Lore. I like ESEE, but I'm tired of waiting and the Mora is also substantially cheaper. I got an Orange and a Black for what will probably be the price of one of the ESEE.
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I got a Mora too. I think this is like the light machete thing. It is a low cost machete with some excellent micarta scales. I think a Mora with a custom micarta handle will be WAY cheaper and more comfortable because the handle is custom made for YOUR hand. I guess the wait is over for consumers like us.
 
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