New Evenheat KO18 with TAP Controller touchscreen

I got my KH18TAP yesterday, and heres just some random info: It took 1 hour and 20 minutes to heat to 1800f. I used an IR thermometer, and measured a max heat of 120 on the top and sides, and 201 on the door. The side of the TAP closest to the oven never got above 80 (ambient). 1800 was held for 10 minutes only though.

I was really happy with my first HTs of 9" 1/8 1084, and 13" 15n20 in .065 ( I think) with no warp.

My main concerns are that 1) the firebrick is so soft, I'm worried about gouging it. 2) The TAP seems like it would be vulnerable to dust, which is obviously a big factor.
 
Dude I just ordered the kf 27 with the tap. Did yours take 3 weeks from when you ordered? On the website it says it connects to wifi so you can control it with your phone and stuff, have you explored that option?
 
Dude I just ordered the kf 27 with the tap. Did yours take 3 weeks from when you ordered? On the website it says it connects to wifi so you can control it with your phone and stuff, have you explored that option?

I haven't messed with wifi yet, and the user manual is terrible. I ordered mine from Kiln frog in San Antonio, on Jan 3, and received it yesterday.
 
I haven't messed with wifi yet, and the user manual is terrible. I ordered mine from Kiln frog in San Antonio, on Jan 3, and received it yesterday.

Alright well I expect you to have it fully figured out by the time mine comes! Haha prepare to be pestered with questions. I am not worried about the heat on the screen, I highly doubt they missed that detail. I may Saran Wrap it though to keep dust off of it
 
I don't think the wifi connectivity is enabled yet, there are some commands not accessible. The user manual is kinda junky, I need to find out how to get the admin password
 
Pittknife, where did you buy your Evenheat from, and what was the shipping cost if you don't mind me asking? Just seen you were from Pittsburgh
 
And I can tell you that 2 kilns with 4x times better insulation and TC typ K with inconel shield + RE72 and 3kW power will cost less than 1.300 USD

Kosa_PL,

Would you be able to recommend any good commercially available heat-treat ovens here in Europe?
 
I have a 22.5 KO(2400f) on the way with the TAP controller. There's a bunch of videos in YouTube that describe, in detail, about every function the thing can do. I can't wait to get mine.

To those who have gotten kilns shipped to them, do they call you ahead of time and let you know when they're coming?
 
Alright well I expect you to have it fully figured out by the time mine comes! Haha prepare to be pestered with questions. I am not worried about the heat on the screen, I highly doubt they missed that detail. I may Saran Wrap it though to keep dust off of it

That may greatly change convection cooling. I would contact the company tech support before doing anything like that. I would think just blowing it out with an air hose every now and then would be a better idea.
 
I have a 22.5 KO(2400f) on the way with the TAP controller. There's a bunch of videos in YouTube that describe, in detail, about every function the thing can do. I can't wait to get mine.

To those who have gotten kilns shipped to them, do they call you ahead of time and let you know when they're coming?

Yup the dispatch center will call you to set up a time.
 
I got my KF27 with the TAP controller from Kilnfrog too. Everywhere else said shipping would have been $160.Mine took 4 weeks from order to recieving it. This is my new favorite part of knife making. Clay up some 1095 , stick it in the oven, and quench it in some Parks 50. Mine takes about 30-35 minutes to get to 1475 F.
 
Kosa_PL,

Would you be able to recommend any good commercially available heat-treat ovens here in Europe?

Hey,

Ask guys at http://www.izo.pl
They make industrial and laboratory grade kilns for order, or you can get standard offer.
Kiln 3kW for 240V 1phase with chamber 200x150x450 can cost around 9.000 PLN without tax.
If you take one, get with Lumel pid regulator (RE43 or RE72). Or with IZO Smart Heat Control ( but this is 3.400PLN more) and this is something like TAP but industrial.
With all industrial features, for us are IZO-1 (Lab) or IZO-2 (Industrial), you can get them even with muffle.

Contact mail ( because they only have website in polish): info@izo.pl
 
Thanks Kosa_PL

I'll certainly consider your informed recommendation, but 9000 PLN + VAT tax sounds a bit pricey. I will do a bit more research locally as well
 
You asked for GOOD kiln.
Not this joke called Evenheat and Paragon.

For 1.000$ you can build very nice kiln ( better that mentioned Jokes) youself, and with help of electrician.
 
i have been thinking about upgrading to a rampmasterr in 27inch size i just dont see all the need for a tap screen but then again in might just need to see it demoed again
i keep kicking around the thought of building my own tho also
 
FWIW, while I share some of the concerns listed here, having played with one of these kilns, others I do not.

A friend of mine has one, and FWIW, from the standpoint of usability, and function, the controller is very nice. In fact, I'm considering retrofitting an older industrial HT oven I've got with one of these. Heat damage to the controller doesn't seem to be a concern, Evenheat has insulated heavily between the kiln and the electronics that are most sensitive. Also, having seen some earlier evenheat ovens, the build quality of the recent ones is really top notch. Honestly I think they're better built than the Paragons anymore with lots of smart design features.

Yes, they are poorly insulated compared to real industrial models. The one I'm considering converting the controller is an old analog controller, but for a 6x6x20 chamber, it's the size of 4-6 evenheats, mostly in insulation and 1/8" plate. Weighs maybe 600lbs, and I dropped it on it's side trying to lay it over to put wheels under it and it didn't do the slightest damage, although it broke a tie down strap and made the floor shake. It's also completely cool to the touch at max temp after running for hours, and features boxed ceramic element modules in the sides and the roof. Having just replaced a buddy's element in his Paragon, I can tell you, it's junk grade comparatively.


I've digressed. The controller likely has more going on in the software than you realize Kosa, it's as effective as any of the current hobby grade controllers Paragon and Evenheat are running, and from what I saw, seems significantly more so. The thing is, it's entirely software driven, so they don't have lots of microcontroller hardware/logic to tout. Fortunately, capabilities can be added with a mere software update, as no extra hardware should be necessary.

It's incredibly intuitive to use, 1000x more than the button controllers or PIDs, you can setup much more complicated programs, all listed with a name (52100 Thermal Cycle #1 for example) that you can simply touch and click start to run. You can pause easily at any time, or skip around to step without having to know a magic combination of buttons that one mistake will restart your program, etc.


Honestly, this should have existed quite a long time ago, this controller is by no means advanced, but it's the first step of the seemingly slow march of technological progress in this area.


Yes, there are significantly more advanced programmable controllers, but many require extensive knowledge to use, and aren't readily accessible (or properly marketed) to the average knifemaker. This is a good step between, and if it's supported, or improved upon, and implemented into higher end kilns, has pretty great potential.



FWIW, I've got a Sugarcreek kiln also with an old 3-key Orton controller that gets more use in my shop than the other two much nicer kilns. It's un-arguably a piece of total junk, but I got it cheap, and it does it's job very effectively which is thermal cycling and annealing damascus billets. Other than energy efficiency with a more insulated kiln, there's absolutely no reason for me to use a nicer kiln for this job, which because of the size of billets I'm usually slinging, gets beat to shit and back. I got it for like $300 used, so value, is relative to need. Surprisingly, it actually seems to overshoot less than many nicer kilns I've used (10 degrees max), but it's irrelevant in this case, what do I care about 10 degrees in the context of how I use this? Not at all.
 
Also, anybody thinking about buying one of these, check with Tru-grit, they had the lowest price around that I could find.
 
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