new fakes, alert (various new entries..)

Mad_Maxx

Mad_Maxx

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don't know how but found (the?) website that sells those fakes we've seen lately
just so WE KNOW what to pat attention to, some pics, not in any way I'm promoting these fakes, just so we all know that they're making various fakes, not one only...

sending CRK an email, probably they know already but better to send it than not to, too many variants with their logo, also on non ckr like knives

wish you a BARFY reading..
Maxx

fake large fixed blade, with CRK and papers, FAKE of course
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fake customized seb
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fake wood inlay
NOTE how the thumbstud is heat coloured and not blue
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fake camel bone inlay
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and last but not least the seb in both sonwwashed and satin....

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keep your eyes open folks, lets hope we can take these off the market by letting everyone know and not buy them
Maxx
 
Thats it, i'll never buy a CR knife from anyone but a Chris Reeve authorized dealer or CRK themselves. A few of those really had me thinking they were real. Other than the small little details even the trained eye can be fooled. I feel bad for the people who are buying these thinking that they got the real deal, Chris is getting ripped off but the customers are the real victims.
 
I've noted how the ricasso is different form the real Seb, look at the beginning of the edge, the grind is strange
good at least there are clear signs to spot them..
 
Those fakes are easier to spot than some others I've seen. Maybe if one was new to CRK they may get fooled.
 
Thats it, i'll never buy a CR knife from anyone but a Chris Reeve authorized dealer or CRK themselves. A few of those really had me thinking they were real. Other than the small little details even the trained eye can be fooled. I feel bad for the people who are buying these thinking that they got the real deal, Chris is getting ripped off but the customers are the real victims.
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at least it seems that having original box and signed papers is the best way to get the REAL deal (for a crk) even if from a private person
good pics help too
 
bloodwood, well done to me , whatcha say? almost looks real..
grind seems right (not like the plain one)
thumbstud is anodized
NO dedent ball hole on the framelock like in the other fakes

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other pics

fake camel bone

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back

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just to shw the difference, this has bad grind, full lanyard pin, detend ball hole, smaller thumbstud hole
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I'm painfully new to CRK. I've had my Large Sebenza 21 for less than a week. I don't know much at this point in terms of what to look for in the real deal or in a fake. Honestly I'm shocked that they have fakes such as these with, in my humble opinion, so many details. Luckily I'm aware of the average prices of a Sebenza so I guess if one is going for a "steal" then its probably not legit.

For a CRK newbie like myself these posts are helpful. Im learning getting direct from a dealer or CRK itself is the only safe way to go. I wont even be looking on ebay from now on.

Thanks for the post!
 
these fakes are about $100 each.

pricey for a fake.

i bought a fake CRK for $10 and it seemed ok but after a few times of opening it...everything got loose.
fit and finish were junk.

i finally relegated the fake to my first aid kit in my car.
 
earlier we had the sanrenmu seb, few usd and SRM logo, now there are these "high level" fakes, in D2 and Ti, more difficult to spot

pricey for a fake.
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yes,
they have higher prices than usual chinese fakes, but, as above they're more accurate fakes, hence the higher cost I assume (?)
being more accurate makes them even more dangerous

149 for a ti lock
50-60 for a seb
89 the customized seb
100 an inlayed one

RiverRat84 said:
...Luckily I'm aware of the average prices of a Sebenza so I guess if one is going for a "steal" then its probably not legit.

Thanks for the post!
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plesed to help if I can, that's why we're here right?
I hope these don't start flowing around, a low price may not be the hint for a fake, you could buy it for 100 and sell it for 400, you could then assume, "being 400$ it's real" when it's not...

2 cents
Maxx
 
I find it EXTREMELY hard to believe that these fakes are actually using D2.

I had a customer send me a knock off Strider that was supposedly in D2, and it wouldn't take an edge no matter what I did. It literally would not support an apex that was sharp enough to slice paper. It was the weirdest thing I have ever come across.
 
CrimsonTideShooter said:
I find it EXTREMELY hard to believe that these fakes are actually using D2.

I had a customer send me a knock off Strider that was supposedly in D2, and it wouldn't take an edge no matter what I did. It literally would not support an apex that was sharp enough to slice paper. It was the weirdest thing I have ever come across.
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I can believe you, never handled any of the above
the only ones I tried, bought in my early knife years where either BAD soft metal or merely acceptable steel (you know those first 10$ knives we all bought...)
others were the now popular 8cr13mov but who knows? the Ti could be Ti and the "D2" some kind of decent steel or chinese "D2 like", the're surprising us more and more every day, and that's SCARY.

Maxx
 
Mad_Maxx said:
plesed to help if I can, that's why we're here right?
I hope these don't start flowing around, a low price may not be the hint for a fake, you could buy it for 100 and sell it for 400, you could then assume, "being 400$ it's real" when it's not...

2 cents
Maxx
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Well, direct from CRK or an authorized dealer it is then!

Hopefully there will be some way to stop these or atleast put an end to them using the CR logo. Until then playing it safe is the only way to go.
 
Mad_Maxx said:
I can believe you, never handled any of the above
the only ones I tried, bought in my early knife years where either BAD soft metal or merely acceptable steel (you know those first 10$ knives we all bought...)
others were the now popular 8cr13mov but who knows? the Ti could be Ti and the "D2" some kind of decent steel or chinese "D2 like", the're surprising us more and more every day, and that's SCARY.

Maxx
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Yep, they haven't met a line they won't cross.

Hopefully it will be a self correcting problem (if their goal is to fool savvy knife buyers) since we can choose to buy through authorized dealers. If their goal is to fool the knife novice, then I think this kind of thing will be a plague.
 
What are the chances of a straightforward checklist of what to look for in a fake being written by an experienced member here then maybe having a mod make it a sticky?

If there's something like that already in existence then I apologize in advance for not having seen it.
 
That bloodwood does look close to being spot on except for the thumbstud...
 
That bloodwood does look close to being spot on except for the thumbstud...
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yep...

I don't have a large or an inlayed seb
the bloodwood seems to have a rather thick framelock, or is the large so thick? that could be a hint for the fake

anyone with a large/inlay to chime in? trying from the pics to find some differences
Maxx
 
I can see a few issues in the pictures from the grind, thumb stud, blade shape, and size, or more specifically height, of the inlays. While the pictures look real close, in hand and next to a real CRK the small discrepancies would be glaring to any one familiour with CRK. The problems are for people that don't know CRK or don't know what they are looking at.

There is a "situation" in China just now and this is what is breeding these "high quality" fakes. As someone that is rather involved in the Taiwanese knife scene I can tell you that getting a real CRK in China is about as easy and as much as a Kg of coke. If you have the connections then it's less of a hassle if you don't then it's all but impossible. I have seen what happens to custom knives that leave Taiwan costing $1000 and turn up in China for $4000+. People want CRKs and other high end knives but they just can't get them and for many reasons. That is by no means to be taken as justifictaion for making them, but untill one has spent time in China you just have no idea.......
 
As for the thumb stud color. I just received a large Sebenza from Wilson combat with double thumb studs and they are not blue. I thought that was odd too but I checked and the knife is legitimate.
 
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