new Ford 6.4L diesel pickups?

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Yesterday I test drove a new 2008 6.4L Ford diesel pickup. The twin-turbo setup seems to have cured the down right sluggishness the old one had. There was slight turbo lag, not much but its there, but not enough to be a total turnoff like the 7.3L PowerStroke was.

Has anyone heard good or bad about these new engines in the Ford SuperDuty pickups? Does anyone have experience with them? I'm interested in other peoples views before I spend a lot of money on one.

I'm specifically looking at a 2008 F-350 SRW SuperCab diesel. I initially intended to get the V-10 gas equivalent but, it looks like my driving break even point is right at 4 years given my current yearly mileage and expected fuel costs. Based on a previous ownership experience, I expect to own this pickup a minimum of 6 years with 12 being the goal. Mileage without major power train expense needs to exceed 150K miles (meaning no transmission overhauls, head or turbo replacements, etc.).

Thanks everyone!
 
Hope your Ford experience turns out better than mine. I'd buy a Dodge diesel if I had to make the choice. Ford just makes junk these days.
 
They are havng some SERIOUS issues with the 6.4!! There is a leak somewhere, and drips on the exhaust manifold; therefore shooting flames out the back. I heard so far that there is a software fix. THAT would NOT be good enough for me!!

My 6.0 PSD has some serious turbo lag. My truck couldn't get out of it's own way!! My 6.0 PSD also stranded me twice!! I have since gotten rid of it!!
 
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Sounds like those new 6.4L Ford Diesels are bad news.

I seriously like the Cummins in the Dodge pickups but, the rest of pickup just doesn't do it for me. The seats aren't comfortable and while the drive train is great, the rest of the pickup doesn't seem to hold up well. I have had a lot of trouble with recent Chevy pickups so, I won't go there either.
 
6.0L had turbo problems, due to the varible vane turbos. V10 have manifold problems. Wait a year and let Ford get the bugs out. I have not heard major problems about the international engine (navistar). How about a Ford diesel tech out there and inside reports? The 5.4L the smallest engine of the heavies, but it is one of the better. Personally I have 185,000 miles on a 2002SD no major problems, just wish I have more power (like there is thing like enough) Trans is starting to slip a little. Still I will not trade her in. 08 are UGLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
They are havng some SERIOUS issues with the 6.4!! There is a leak somewhere, and drips on the exhaust manifold; therefore shooting flames out the back. I heard so far that there is a software fix. THAT would NOT be good enough for me!!

My 6.0 PSD has some serious turbo lag. My truck couldn't get out of it's own way!! My 6.0 PSD also stranded me twice!! I have since gotten rid of it!!


Its not a leak. Thanks to our tree hugging friends and the EPA all diesels manufactured after january 1st of this year are required to have a particulate filter in the exhaust. This filter eventually becomes overloaded with soot, and has to go through a regen cycle to burn itself clean.
During the regen cycle there is an extra fuel injection event taking place beyond the normal timing of the engine in order to introduce raw fuel into the particulate filter and burn off the soot. During this regen cylce the exhaust temperature climbs to over 1000 degrees (which is the reason for the venturi tip they have now) and fuel mileage drops ridiculously.
Some of the early 6.4's had an issue with the regen cylce causing fire to come out of the tailpipe. This really isn't that surprising when you consider the way the system is now required to work. From what I have heard, the programming for the 6.4 has been updated since its induction and many of these problems have been worked out.

Since the 6.0 powerstroke was mentioned, it might as well be pointed out that many of the issues involved with the 6.0 powerstroke stemmed from emissions requirements and the use of an EGR valve and cooler set up. When coasting, the EGR valve opens and exhaust gases are run through an exhaust cooling manifold and then back through the system. This includes running exhaust gases back through the turbo charger which can clog the vanes of the turbine and make them stick and causing overboost, or lack of boost depending on their position. The EGR valve itself can also stick causing lack of power and boost. There were also problems with the EGR cooler boiling and causing coolant to puke out of the overflow/degas bottle for the radiator.

In the later model years of the 6.0 many of the previous problems were resoved and more of them probably would have been had it not been forced out of production by the mandate for particulate filters and lower emissions at the start of the year.


While the cummins diesel does have an overall better reputation than the internantional motors used by ford, they fall under the same regulations and have many of the same problems. You can't get a new truck with the old 24 valve 5.9 liter cummins in it any more, and the new motors have their share of problems. And while it mostly comes down to personal preferences, I find Ford trucks to be better overall than Dodge. You can buy a truck or you can buy a motor, I consider the whole truck.

As far as the 6.4 powerstroke, I haven't personally driven one but have read quite a few favorable reviews. Its supposed to be much quieter and offer plenty of power. Thanks to common rail injectoin instead of the HEUI injection of the old motors, as well as the dual sequential turbo chargers it is also supposed to be a much more responsive motor with less lag. I never felt the lag on the 7.3 liter was that bad, but it is fairly noticeable on the 6.0. Both of the old powerstrokes would pull whatever you put behind them though. I've personally towed over 10,000 lbs with them and never felt underpowered. I'm sure the new motor will be even better.

I just wish the damn government would quit trying to regulate the rate we develop technology at. Everytime you start to get a decent motor they up regulations and force manufacturers to put out some untested half assed idea in order to stay in business. There is actually talk of a bill to mandate ALL vehicles average 30 miles per gallon by a certain date, and meet all the emmisions regs as well. If they can make laws like that they ought to mandate that cancer be cured by 2010 too.
 
I knew "leak" wasn't the right term, but I could NOT for the life of me think of the correct term.:o Thank you Matt Shade!! :thumbup:
 
No problem. I guess I'm a diesel junky and occasionally have to rant :D

I've found that www.dieselstop.com is a very informative site for ford/international diesels. You can find info on just about any modification you could dream of as well as reviews and troubleshooting ideas. There are quite a number of negative stories but you have to remember that people are much more likely to post when something isn't working than when it is.....and if you go to forums dedicated to other manufacturers you find much of the same.

I'd really like to see this 6.4 powerstroke come out a winner. Unfortunately I have a feeling that between problems between ford and international/navistar going to litigation and the end of their contract in a few years, as well as possible future regulations it will probably be a short lived motor. I'd probably give one a shot though if I was looking for a new truck in the next few years. The other changes Ford has made are very nice, inside the cab and out, and I'm not a fan of the high revving gas motors everybody builds now anyhow. The ford superduty and 6.4 liter powerstroke are probably about as good as you can do right now.
 
I hear they are getting horrible gas mileage relative to previous powerstrokes and the GM and Chrystler competition. It's also a sequential turbo system, not twin turbo.
 
Intake, exhaust, or both manifolds? What sort of problem? Is hard or expensive to fix (i.e. easy aftermarket solution)?

Intake manifold, which was made of plastic it would warp and leak. I do believe the solution was alum intakes. I also had this problem w/ 5.4 when I first brought the truck. It was found it was over tighten in the factory and replaced, no problems since milage 34.
 
total turnoff like the 7.3L PowerStroke was.!

I'm guessing you never drove a chipped 7.3L?! A little turbo lag was there but after the chip and a couple of other simple mods I added 100HP and 200TQ extra to my 7.3L. Woke the truck up and made it a JOY to drive. I smoked a few 6.0's when they first came out.. .of course they were stock.

I still have my '00 7.3L, I love it. with the cost of the new trucks I'll have to keep it for a few more years.
 
I would wait more than a year for them to get the bugs out. I am not a Ford guy but the 7.3 seemed to be a solid motor. The 6.0 was a dismal failure. I could write for days about our work trucks going into the shop every 35k miles for major engine work. I can’t see the 6.4 being that great of an improvement. Then I think there is going to be availability issues since Ford and International can’t get their money problems fixed over the 6.0. Dodge is coming out with a new 6.8 or so 6 cylinder. They have had some issues with the new ISB motors but nothing near the problems Ford has had.
 
I just went through this process, and I went with the Chevy. I think all of the diesels will end up with teathing problems with the new emissions set up, but the duramax/allison combo is well worth giving a test drive. Both Ford and Dodge did major drivetrain overhauls this year. Chevy just did emissions compliance and still outpowers the others. Sorry, this is kind of like picking a favorite blade steel.
Best of luck, Craig
 
I did just find out our entire fleet of 08 Ford 4x4 F250 was dead lined until they can come up with a fix for the front ball joints, seems front wheel assemblies have been separating at about 3k miles.

The Duramax/Allison has been ok except for the transmission to transfer case adapter. We had 16 3/4 tons and everyone has been to the shop multiple time to have that piece replaced at 1500.00 a pop each time. If you use your truck off road at all, the Chevies will not been holding up body wise. The hoods and fenders have been breaking. We had to mouth the batteries in the bed to keep from replacing front fenders all the time. I will say the motors have been bullet proof. All 16 trucks have over 100k at 3 years old and only two have had injector trouble, probably because of somebody putting gas in a diesel.
 
My experience with Chevy's on dirt roads is terrible. Lots of body work issues unrelated to damage from road debris. Most of the Chevy's I see are missing body work out here. The plastic is especially vulnerable.
 
Cummin why waste the money...real diesel lovers go to cat for their needs. F 650 with a bed, ahhhh lotto winning dream
 
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