New Full Tang Tomahawk Design, the "Work Hawk"

1. Doesn't apply to my design [Agree.]
2. You aren't saving any weight with a cold steel trail hawk head over my design at 1lb [Agreed, but a C.S. Trail Hawk head w/o the handle is much more COMPACT than anything with a fixed handle, and sometimes that is a factor.]
3. One of the main goals of this tool was to make those sorts of tasks possible without awkwardness. That's one of it's main advantages over a hatchet or large knife. [I agree your design is an improvement, as you say, but for some tasks ANYTHING with a fixed handle will be more awkward than a hawk head used alone.]
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5. I've never wanted to use an adze or chisel when I'm out backpacking, but I'm having a hard time imagining a situation where they a tomahawk head does a better job than a hatchet in skilled hands or even a pocketknife or fixed blade. [To each his own. I frequently find a chiseling motion to be best for some sorts of bushcraft -- just an extension of what many people refer to as "carving" with an ax or hatchet, and the absence of a handle just extends the range of tight spots where carving / chiseling can be done. The need for adze work is admittedly rare, but I occasionally do some rough "timber framing," and both chisel and adze can come in handy there. For backpacking, unless I an explicitly out there to practice bushcraft, I don't take ANY saw or ax or hatchet or hawk. If I make fires at all, it will be from down/dead wood I can collect by hand.]
6. Ever try splitting wood from the side? [Many times. For smallish-diameter pieces, IME, attacking from the end can make it easier to stabilize the piece than if the strokes of tool or baton must be applied to the side.]
7. Sounds like a nice combo. [Yes. When weight and bulk are not limited, I will take the G-F Small Forest Ax as well as both* of the saws AND the C.S. Trail Hawk (head or head + shaft). As noted before, the head is convenient for some things where none of the others is ideal, plus I MUCH prefer pounding with its hammer end to using my G-B for that service, plus it is a nice "supplemental" wedge for splitting more recalcitrant baulks of wood. (*As with the hawk head, I find the Laplander much more maneuverable than any bow saw, and that can be handy, but slicing through 8 - 12" diameter logs is MUCH quicker work with the Dustrude.)]
 
New design on the right, old design on the left. Proposed changes include
- More ergonomically flared handle at botton
- Weight balance shifted slightly headwards via smaller hole
- Handle is a teeny bit wider
- Less aggressive poll jimping
- Hole placement in line with handle to facilitate index finger use, also chamfered
- Veeerrry slightly more "open" edge orientation
- Lower handle termination at the head to give more space for deep cuts and splitting

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Comments appreciated!
 
Good for you (and for the forum) that you're getting mostly positive (and non sarcastic) feedback. My concern would be the 'poll'. Whacking something with a 1/4" hammering face (whether milled/ribbed, smoothed or shaped) has no appeal for practical purposes. Some of the vintage/antique Finnish axes/hatchets shown on here have had ampler hammer faces (1/2-3/4 inch wide) welded/forged (?) on to their polls. Is there any merit in contemplating something like this, especially with how cheap, easy and effective MIG and TIG welding is these days. Just a simple question derived from a simple observation.
To this day I look with amazement at antique and obsolete long and narrow-tipped railway sledge hammers and wonder who on earth would ever volunteer to hand-hold a tie spike for a rookie pounder or for a sledge wielder that had had a few drinks.
 
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I like those changes - giving it a little more axe functionality (?) while keeping your all-round cutting tool versatility. I have thought about the utility of a narrow poll too, and my conclusion is that they are not so much for pounding nails or whatever (not a hammer), but for when you want to do some damage to some object without ruining your edge. Breaking ice comes to mind. Of course, it could be used for staking in a tent or tarp as long as the stakes themselves had broad impact surfaces.
 
Looking good. just found this thread. I like that the handle is lower on the neck, it won't bang into as much when your cutting.

I would drop it even further at a minimum level with the bottom of hawk edge.

In response to the guy above about the hammer. Houge had a good idea. They attached a hammer piece via a bolt hole. So it was optional.
 
Good for you (and for the forum) that you're getting mostly positive (and non sarcastic) feedback.

I'm most heartily in agreement with that statement(thanks,300Six).

Now,in that spirit,Park Swan,if i may ask:What Is your motivation in an(apparent) attempt to enter this specific market,of a "techie/tactical"(no offense to it's afficionados!:) ,full-tang market?

I'm asking as a fellow craftsman/metalworker/et c.,because it seems like this market is fairly well saturated,if the material gain strictly was your sole reasoning....(i may be WAY off on Anything and everything i may say:)...In any case,it seems like a tough proposition.

But perhaps your design ideas may amount to some advantage over your competition,and possibly these advantages may be of a Functional nature,so i decided to share my views on this...

For me,an axe user of a very Varying kinda nature(a little bit of everything...chopping/limbing/clearing....just what in my neck of the woods is termed a "boat-",or in the winter-a "snomachine axe",an all-around axe),the full-tang has always been an abomination...Starting with that symbol of dysfunction,the Estwing,and of course on down the line along the list of all the water-jetted,two-dimentional wonders...:)

The main reason for that,that despite even the highest Cool-,or Bling-factor,these things aren't suitable for Chopping(the term used specifically,not to be confused with hewing,carving,opening cans or slicing cheese!:) is actually quite simple-they all lack a Chip-breaker!

Now,the nature of ANY cutting action,where the rubber actually hits the road,is of course at the very tip of the cutting edge...Well,in order to bring that cutting edge into contact with material it must squeeze in there,somehow.....(not even mentioning the next challenge-not get stuck,also an Extremely valuable trait,nothing wastes energy and frustrates as having to realign all your muscles and be rocking and yanking the tool et c.).

For that very reason many woodworking tools,signally the wood plane,have an added Chip-breaker.It frees the edge to maintain it's contact with the road...:)

So,getting back to 300Six's suggestion of an added-on poll(a valid thought,though one i'd personally consider in terms of Balance,vs the aiming of a blow,that i believe takes place well enough by instinct alone),it's that two-dimentionality that again is at issue....Lack of that critical thickness,that a conventional axe uses for both the chip-breaking action as well as a striking surface.

What if you did laminate onto the stock some cool-looking "false-bevel" sort of material?Bolt on,like in a previous post,with an appropriately visual hardware?:)

(I actually was close to doing it once,to an Estwing,out of some bronze from a plumbing fixture,but unfortunately never did get around to it,or there may now be substance to my b.s. now...:)

(i considered softer material in order to not have an issue with re-ajusting breakers after edge maintenance....).

In any case-great going!And the Very best of luck!
 
They good like good improvements. I like the new hole placement and the shorter scales.

Thanks :)

Good for you (and for the forum) that you're getting mostly positive (and non sarcastic) feedback. My concern would be the 'poll'. Whacking something with a 1/4" hammering face (whether milled/ribbed, smoothed or shaped) has no appeal for practical purposes. Some of the vintage/antique Finnish axes/hatchets shown on here have had ampler hammer faces (1/2-3/4 inch wide) welded/forged (?) on to their polls. Is there any merit in contemplating something like this, especially with how cheap, easy and effective MIG and TIG welding is these days. Just a simple question derived from a simple observation.
To this day I look with amazement at antique and obsolete long and narrow-tipped railway sledge hammers and wonder who on earth would ever volunteer to hand-hold a tie spike for a rookie pounder or for a sledge wielder that had had a few drinks.

Thanks. This is an ultralight pack axe. The poll is there if needed but it isn't intended for prolonged or ideal hammering/driving. If you think about this hawk as a big knife with a more useful profile and shape, then the hammer poll is a welcome addition vs. not having one at all. It also registers in the hand when holding the axe head like an ulu. Welding is a good point, or even bolting on some pieces could relatively easily turn a .25" face into a .50 or .75" face (as some makers have done), and it's worth considering.

I like those changes - giving it a little more axe functionality (?) while keeping your all-round cutting tool versatility. I have thought about the utility of a narrow poll too, and my conclusion is that they are not so much for pounding nails or whatever (not a hammer), but for when you want to do some damage to some object without ruining your edge. Breaking ice comes to mind. Of course, it could be used for staking in a tent or tarp as long as the stakes themselves had broad impact surfaces.

Yep. Another part of the equation is that the tool only weighs 1lb total, and really doesn't have the weight for hammering much. It drives in stakes just fine, but then so does my foot.

Looking good. just found this thread. I like that the handle is lower on the neck, it won't bang into as much when your cutting.

I would drop it even further at a minimum level with the bottom of hawk edge.

In response to the guy above about the hammer. Houge had a good idea. They attached a hammer piece via a bolt hole. So it was optional.

That's a great point about the bolt hole making it optional for the customer. Thanks.

I'm most heartily in agreement with that statement(thanks,300Six).

Now,in that spirit,Park Swan,if i may ask:What Is your motivation in an(apparent) attempt to enter this specific market,of a "techie/tactical"(no offense to it's afficionados!:) ,full-tang market?

I'm asking as a fellow craftsman/metalworker/et c.,because it seems like this market is fairly well saturated,if the material gain strictly was your sole reasoning....(i may be WAY off on Anything and everything i may say:)...In any case,it seems like a tough proposition.

But perhaps your design ideas may amount to some advantage over your competition,and possibly these advantages may be of a Functional nature,so i decided to share my views on this...

For me,an axe user of a very Varying kinda nature(a little bit of everything...chopping/limbing/clearing....just what in my neck of the woods is termed a "boat-",or in the winter-a "snomachine axe",an all-around axe),the full-tang has always been an abomination...Starting with that symbol of dysfunction,the Estwing,and of course on down the line along the list of all the water-jetted,two-dimentional wonders...:)

The main reason for that,that despite even the highest Cool-,or Bling-factor,these things aren't suitable for Chopping(the term used specifically,not to be confused with hewing,carving,opening cans or slicing cheese!:) is actually quite simple-they all lack a Chip-breaker!

Now,the nature of ANY cutting action,where the rubber actually hits the road,is of course at the very tip of the cutting edge...Well,in order to bring that cutting edge into contact with material it must squeeze in there,somehow.....(not even mentioning the next challenge-not get stuck,also an Extremely valuable trait,nothing wastes energy and frustrates as having to realign all your muscles and be rocking and yanking the tool et c.).

For that very reason many woodworking tools,signally the wood plane,have an added Chip-breaker.It frees the edge to maintain it's contact with the road...:)

So,getting back to 300Six's suggestion of an added-on poll(a valid thought,though one i'd personally consider in terms of Balance,vs the aiming of a blow,that i believe takes place well enough by instinct alone),it's that two-dimentionality that again is at issue....Lack of that critical thickness,that a conventional axe uses for both the chip-breaking action as well as a striking surface.

What if you did laminate onto the stock some cool-looking "false-bevel" sort of material?Bolt on,like in a previous post,with an appropriately visual hardware?:)

(I actually was close to doing it once,to an Estwing,out of some bronze from a plumbing fixture,but unfortunately never did get around to it,or there may now be substance to my b.s. now...:)

(i considered softer material in order to not have an issue with re-ajusting breakers after edge maintenance....).

In any case-great going!And the Very best of luck!

Thank you sir! If material gain is my motivation, you're right, I'm way off :D. This is a passion project, although I would differentiate myself from other "tactical tomahawks" based on three things: intended use, weight, and grind. Understanding these differences are also the key to why there isn't a whole lot of "wedging" force being utilized by my design. I think it helps to consider the tool as a large knife that chops better than a large knife and makes many small cutting tasks more easily accomplished as well. I take advantage of modern steel technology in a way that many others aren't. To put it simply, you can go thinner and harder than previously thought. As a recent customer put it: "I wish I had videoed everything I've done with my work hawk... It's mind blowing that a tool that small can do huge work. Yet, still have the edge geometry to do the finest of work."

I hold the Estwing in high regard as a lesson of how not to make a cutting tool. Estwing if you are reading this my consultation services are available but you'll have to fly me out.

The idea of bolting on something to both sides that could make the tool heavier, wedge-ier, and have a wider hammer face all at once is a very appealing and interesting one...

Thanks for the in-depth thoughts!

Great looking hawk

Thanks!
 
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