New!!!Help me make my bushcraft/camping set plz

Thanks Brians. At first i glanced over your post bc i thought i wrote it lol (my name is brian too). I already have a leatherman charge. I agree with you 100% im just having problems picking combination. I have a hard time making decisions lol. It took me a month to decide on a axe instead of a large knife for a chopper.

LOL

The Charge is a great tool and a very good start to your modern Nessmuk combo.

The Bruk Small Forest Axe is pretty long handled for backpack carry, but an excellent limber. I used one for many years cutting in Canada to quickly limb tress. It's less of a splitter.

Here's a member who modifies and optimizes quality Snow and Nealy axes. They look like great axes to me. I'm not sure if he still working, but his tools are top quality

http://offthemapoutfitters.com/category.sc?categoryId=3

Have fun deciding. I'm as old as dirt and still looking for the GRAIL ;)

Go Flyers (sorry for those poor penguins :)
 
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Oh no a flyer fan i no longer trust you,lol. I think my problem is i am looking for the perfect tool or the perfect combo and it seems from what u guys are saying that is never going to happen. So i guess ill just have to get something and stop worring so much. Remmm Yes i want to spend it all it is a combination of birthday and anniversary and who knows when she will give me a allowance again lol. If i dont spend it it will just end up being a coach purse or something stupid. Thanks for all your advice. I am also thinking about a wetterlings now instead of a GB since they are owned by same guy now the only problem is i never sharpened anything and i hear they come pretty dull vs the shaving sharp GB. i dont even know what i would start sharping it with(a file?). thanks again all
 
B,

Have a look at those modified axes. They aren't too pricey. I use a file (2-sided) and then a stone for my axes. Pure splitters don't need the razor edge, as they need to separate the rounds quickly.

That same member (Brian Andrews) also produced what I think are the best videos on properly using a compass and map. I recommend enjoying them so we don't find you frozen to a tree in those Allegheny Mountains :) Here's the link:

http://backyardbushman.com/?page_id=679

If you don`t have a decent compass, and you have the money leftover, head back to REI and get this one. it is one of the best on the market:

http://www.rei.com/product/652898

I've never owned one, but those Barkies you referenced are all quality blades. If you like traditional looking stuff, try MLKnives.com Matt's stuff is both functional and beautiful and he's not that far north of you in NY.

Again, enjoy the process.

B
 
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A small fixed blade like a Fallkniven F1, BRKT Gunny or similar (even a mora if you can handle a less than pretty knife) teamed up with a folding saw (Silky pocketboy or Bahco Laplander) will do just about everything you'll need.

Of course, axes are fun to play with, so grab one if you want! But they are kinda heavy if you're walking any distance. Not trying to convert you to an ultralighter, but heavy does sap the fun out of a trip on the big hills (as mentioned before).
 
Here's the smallest list of items I would venture out with (emergency/bushcraft)

1. Emergency Bivvy
2. Large Convex fixed blade knife (Bark River Bravo 2 or similar)
3. Smaller convex fixed blade knife (Fallkniven F1, Bravo-1/Gunny/Bravo Necker)
4. Surefire Minimus Headlamp
5. BCB Wiresaw
6. Windmill Stormproof lighter
7. Firesteel
8. Wetfire tinder cubes (20 pack)
9. First aid kit with quick clot bandage
10. 50ft of 550 cord
11. Compass
12. Lots of water

That's the smallest kit I would take with me if I actually wanted to venture out.

If you can spare the cash and the pack weight, I would highly recommend taking a large head long handle AXE (preferably convex edge, something that can actually split large logs), a backup light or two, and a waterproof bag.



-Freq
 
Honestly, if I had it to do all over again and I was sitting in your situation I'd either take the $$$ your precious wife gave you and invest it in a two or three day bush or survival course or find a suitable mentor and take a few days and go out with him/her before investing in any gear. If the mentor knew which way the stick floated they'd be willing to loan you all the gear you need for your first outing (everything except certain clothes, their ax or sleeping bag).

After your three days in the wild you'll KNOW beyond a doubt what works, doesn't work, and what is mission critical gear and what is a "nice to have." Plus you'll be really dialed into the bush and will be more confident and competent than many of us on this forum including myself. Also you won't need about half the gear you thought you need once you've learned your way around with a Pro/Mentor.

The time and/or money you'd spend on a class or with a mentor will yield greater dividends than just blowing the money on gear you think you'll need. Don't ask me how I know this! Yea, you'll need a knife and ax anyway, but tools are not what makes a bushman, it is the knowledge and skills. Besides, you'll enjoy and apprecate your gear/tools more once you know how to use them.


Ah, but what the heck do I know?
 
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G'day Quirt

....After your three days in the wild you'll KNOW beyond a doubt what works, doesn't work, and what is mission critical gear and what is a "nice to have." Plus you'll be really dialed into the bush and will be more confident and competent than many of us on this forum including myself. Also you won't need about half the gear you thought you need once you've learned your way around with a Pro/Mentor.
I agree that purchases that are informed by some experience are better than purchases informed (?) by no experience.

But to be honest, I really don't think a three day course or a couple of days with a mentor (regardless of how good they are) is enough to get anyone "really dialed in to the bush".

Whilst it's a start, IMO that's all it is.




Kind regards
Mick
 
I would put a Skookum or one of Brian Andrew's Bushcrafters on order and get a Mora now. Add the GB SFA, Bahco folding saw and a SAK Rucksak or Outrider and you'll have enough tools to practice and learn with.

$500 should get you very well outfitted, but you'll never find your perfect combo; it doesn't exist:D

ROCK6
 
But to be honest, I really don't think a three day course or a couple of days with a mentor (regardless of how good they are) is enough to get anyone "really dialed in to the bush".


Mick, I wholeheardly concur...perhaps I overstated or my comment didn't come across as I intended...what I really meant was spending some quality and productive time with someone who is really squared away in the bush is going to give a novice enough positive learning experience to be able to make a better, more intellegent, and informed gear selection decision than if they just went out and bought stuff. And the next time they go back out into the woods to practice and to try their new gear they're going to be more dialed in than if they just went down to the store and bought gear and went out and struggled on their own.

I do know a novice will certainly have a better apprecation of which gear is better suited for their needs. I also know they're going to really enjoy and apprecate the bush a whole lot more after a few days training. And I would encouage them to continue to train and learn. I'm finding the more I learn the less gear I need and I can get away with less than perfect gear.

Is three days enough to "really dial one in the bush". No! But it is enough to launch them onto a more productive, safer, and enjoyable experience(s) in the bush. It is an investment for the start of a lifelong quest of learning and enjoyment. Three days is enough time for them to have a decent grasp on many of the fundamentals of basic fire and shelter construction, security, sleeping systems, food prep/cooking, water procurement, sanitation, and tool selection/usage. An effective instructor/mentor will intentionally allow them to struggle with their basic tasks and then begin to show them how to improve. They should see a huge amount of growth and improvement after a few days. And they'll apprecate which pieces of gear are mission critical and which pieces are "nice to have" rather than a "need to have."

A case in point...a few years ago a young novice came onto a different knife forum and asked the same thing "I'm new, help me out!" So members jumped in and told him he needed a custom chopper that was at the time the latest vogue gear. He paid over $300 for it and waited months for its arrival. He showed up to class with this chopper all proud. No one said a word about his knife choice. They just let him figure it out if it was going to work or not.

By the end of the week he was borrowing other student's knives because the chopper didn't work as advertised. He still has the chopper mounted on his bedroom wall as a reminder of his expensive "ignorant" decision. That three day class taught him more about what works/doesn't work than all the free advice on a forum. After that class, he was able to go out on his own and enjoy the woods. Was he dialed in completely? No. But he could at least go out and be safe and productive accelerating his further learning. Today, he is a co-lead on a SAR team and doing well.


Heck, I've been going into the bush for over 40+ years and I'm still not dialed in!
 
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$500 should get you very well outfitted, but you'll never find your perfect combo; it doesn't exist:D

ROCK6

I have to disagree with you. I found my perfect combo at least a dozen times. Oy! ;)
 
If I were starting from scratch...
Fiddleback modded machete
Koyote fixed blade in the 3-4 inch category
SAK farmer

Should be well under 500. Then you could use what's left of the money to buy knives down the road when you figure out what features you like/dislike in use.
 
Don't listen to these guys telling you to go cheap.

They're married, an their wives WON'T let them buy all this stuff!!

:p
 
I'd be going for:

1) big bowie-style chopper of some kind instead of the axe - better for shelter making and way more versatile (i chose a CS Trailmaster, but there are other good alternatives, but i think the Trailmaster is the best thing going - especially for the price)

2) ESEE 4 or 5 for bushcraft
3) skeleton blade Izula/Becker Necker/Buck Paklite/Game Warden/etc
4) ultra lite/packable camp saw of some kind (thinking the Sawvivor here) +extra blade

There's some redundancy in there, but it's not heavy/single-use redundancy.
 
Here is what i was looking at so far.
GB small forest axe + (one of these knifes) barkie aurora, liten bror, or bravo 1.
or
cheaper axe like eastwing or fisker and a combination of those knifes or others.

I suggest the estwing fullsized axe. It's $35.00 and is all steel. I own one and the GB Scandi Forest Axe. While the GB stays sharp longer. They both cut equally well. And all the Estwing needs is a quick stroping to get back in action. It'll do an entire day of chopping and a quick strop makes it ready for tomorrow. I've broken axe handles before and it's a pain. The Estwing ain't gonna break.

Of the BRKT knives you mentioned... I like the Aurora. But do look into the full tang Kephart. That's what I settled on and it's be a wonderful knife.

I've personally started to drift away from axes. I have a Busse Combat short sword (AK-47) and it chops like an axe and clears brush like a machete. two tools in one. Paired with a Silky 14" folding saw and all my wood prep needs are handled. And if you take an axe and leave your machete behind... you may have trouble getting through thick vegetation. Saw briars and razor grass can be a PITA. I'm not suggesting you get a Busse Sword. They're expensive. But Something similar in size but more afordable might be of interest to you. Mine has about a 19" blade that is 3/16ths thick. Not too thick... not too thin IMHO.
 
Okay, here's how I'd do it, assuming you have your clothes and boots.


I'd get an 18" ontario machete. 1095 steel, made in the USA and they are about $20. They are thin and fast and bite through wood pretty well. You can even scandi grind a section of it to use for carving.

Next up I'd get my self a good quality back pack. I like to use a maxpedition pygmy falcon 2, it can be picked up for about $90. If you want to go a little more old school I'd go for the Duluth Pack Co. 'Scout Pack' which also goes for about $90.

You'll need some kind of cordage. If you ask around you find 550 cord is favored by most and with good reason. It's very strong and very cheap. 100' is about $9 anywhere it's sold. At it's most expensive maybe $20 for 100'.

Water bottle. You need at least one good bottle to store your water in. I like to carry a 27oz USGI canteen with a stainless steel mug to boil water/food in. Together you find those at a military surp. place for $10-$20. You could also do all stainless waterbottle, about the same as far price goes. It's a little hard to eat out of though. Or you can do plastic water bottle with stainless mug.

Hat. This is an important piece of gear in my opinion. It sheilds you from sun and rain. It can be used to fan a fire, carry things in etc. A military boonie hat cost about $10 at your aafes exchange and mili. surp. place. At sportsstores you can buy nice synthtic hats that breathe from brands like OP, Columbia, Northface...but those are little more expensive. If you want to go a more traditional route then Filson offers tincloth and wool hats upwards of $50.

Some sort of firekit. This is a little more personal. I'm thinking though that you will need a water proof/resistant case, at least two different ways of starting a fire and some tinder. My kit has the following:

-Jute twine, when it's fluffed out it takes a spark pretty nicely. It can be found for a buck for 100'-500' at a dollar store.
-Fire steel. I use a Light my fire 'Scout' steel. Usually $10. It throws great sparks and it comes in bright colors in case you drop it.
-REI Storm proof matches. I think it's under $10 at REI. These things are great. In wind, rain, snow these things never fail to light. Great for when you need a fire fast.
-A bic lighter. It's cheap and it doesn't leak fluid like a zippo. Sometimes I don't like screwing around and want to geat a fire going.

First aid kit. I don't carry one. Not smart, but they are little expensive to build a nice one. I know that sportsstores carry pre-made kits ranging $10-$50. They usually have things for cuts and bleeding, bee sting, aspirin and other minor stuff.

Shelter. I like to carry a poncho with grommet holes around. If you tie up the hood, you have a water proof tarp to use as shelter from the rain. Ponchos with grommets range. I know that mili. surp. ones cost about $20-$30. Eddie Bauer offers a nice one I beileve for something clost to that. Sea to Summit also carries are nice poncho in less military/tactical colors for around $30-$40.

Now for the knife(s). Some people like carrying only one dedicated bushcraft knife. I like having a 3"-5" blade. My experience with carbon steel has been good, but I've heard that people like stainless as well. There are too many to name in this category. I will name a few good ones though.

Esee Knives 'esee-4' About $90-$110. 4" cutting edge in 1095 steel. The heat treat process is really good in these knives. They take an egde great and sharpen up pretty easy. They also take almost anything that's thrown at them. Chopping, carving, batoning. Micarta handles are done wounderfully. Even when wet it's grippy.

Fallkniven 'F1, Pilot's survival knife'. $95-$115. I've never even handled one of these knives before but I hear nothing but good about them. They use Vg-10 japanese stainless steel sandwitched between softer, tougher stainless steel. It's compared to the esee-4 alot. It's handle is made of a sythetic rubber that's pretty durable.

Now if you want to do the whole scandinavian bushcraft thing, I'd visit ragweed forge. Pretty much anything scandi ground is sold there along with axes and sharpening supplies.: www.ragweedforge.com

I hope this helps you, sorry if I left anything out. Hope you have fun bushcrafting!
 
G'day Quirt

...Mick, I wholeheardly concur...perhaps I overstated or my comment didn't come across as I intended...what I really meant was spending some quality and productive time with someone who is really squared away in the bush is going to give a novice enough positive learning experience to be able to make a better, more intellegent, and informed gear selection decision than if they just went out and bought stuff. And the next time they go back out into the woods to practice and to try their new gear they're going to be more dialed in than if they just went down to the store and bought gear and went out and struggled on their own.
I agree. Purchasing decisions that are informed with some experience are better than the same desisions made without any experience :thumbup:

I guess I've seen way too many instances over the years on the net, where people take a basic "wilderness survival realted course ", sometimes followed up with either an "intermediate" or "advanced" "wilderness survival course" & all of a sudden become experts :confused:

There is no doubt thay have more experience than what they had before the courses, but experts?.....I don't think so :D




Kind regards
Mick
 
For a starting combination, there are a few good options. If you want to carry the weight of a hatchet or axe (or if car camping) I like the Wetterlings small forest axe. If you don't want to deal with that weight, there are a number of folding saws that work quite well.

Combine that with a small folder, such as a Victorinox Farmer or Rucksack, both of them have a nice saw.

And for a general purpose fixed blade, I would second Pitdog's recommendation to look for local makers, or look at the for sale forum here. There are a number of makers who produce quality blades to your specifications at a price that is usually lower than the models that you mentioned. I happen to live close to one of them (Ray Laconico), and I like his work - outstanding quality, far surpassing any factory blades. I have picked up a few of them:
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A combination of a Wetterlings (or a quality folding saw), a Victorinox, and a fixed blade from one of the custom makers on the forum will run considerably less than $500. You can use the remaining money to buy a surprise for the significant other.
 
If you don't mind the weight and can be careful when using it. They are great. Much faster head speed from the longer handle. Still backpack mountable. Easy to find at any hardware store Menards etc.... 5-6 inch esee knife and an izula, and as far as steel you should be set. A good hat for sun/rain is a must also (in my opinion).
 
as for camping gear you can get a 30 dollar tent (good enough i'd say for hte summer)... and also a 30 dolllar sleeping bag should do...

are you getting stuff for yourself or for everyone in your family???
 
A $500 edged tool budget when you're just starting out?!? :eek: Somebody's been making his wife happy. :)

With that kind of a budget you should be able to outfit yourself for car camping, backpacking and every day carry and still have some left over to buy the wife some flowers. (Or a cute little folder with pink scales! ;) )

Refine your wants a little bit. Do you want a "big chopper" of a fixed blade knife? What are the "bushcraft" tasks you expect your knives to accomplish? Are you going lightweight or ultralight in your backpacking? How much steel are you willing to carrty along while backpacking?

Do you have any knife nut friends who will let you try out some of their toys?

Ultimately, after you've done your research and decided to jump on a knife, if it turns out not to be exactly what you were hoping for you can always sell or trade it here in the classifieds section. Speaking of which, that might be an option for finding what you want as well.
 
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