New Issue of Tactical Knives

I finally got a chance to read the TK article. Sorry guys, but I'm going to be the voice of dissent here. I thought the article was pretty weak.

Let me caveat my ensuing comments by saying that I don't own an RC-5. I'm not criticizing the RC-5--which I've never even held--but rather the quality of the article. I have no opinion about the RC-5. I do have a great deal of respect for SERE instructors (I've met more than a few).

Mr Dick does a nice job of explaining the rationale for developing a better E&E knife. After the history lesson, he then gives the dimensions and weight of the knife and points out the various features, e.g. "glass breaker" pommel. Good information, especially if you don't have access to the internet.

After that, however, Mr. Dick goes on to say the knife is fairly mediocre at every task he used it for.

1. Batoning: he doesn't like batoning, but acknowledged that the RC-5 was a strong enough to have "wedged the chunks [of cherry] apart with ease." This is probably his most positive comment about the RC-5 and it's a backhanded compliment at best.

2. Carving: He uses the RC-5 to carve an axe handle for a hatchet--the philosophy being that one should have an axe head in one's survival kit, the handle to be fabricated as needed. (Actually he doesn't even endorse this strategy, just attributes it to a nameless British survival expert.) His comment is that the "RC-5 is not exactly a wood carving knife", but "it got the job done."

3. Food Prep: He made stew using the RC-5 and says, "I do have to admit the .25-inch thick blade is something less than ideal for slicing onions and potatoes". I've never been in a survival situation where slicing onions was a big priority, but I suppose that's good to know.

4. Fire making: he comments on the fire bow spindle socket in the handle. He says he was able to use the socket and a bow to start a fire. Cool. He doesn't really offer an opinion about this feature.

5. Chopping: He says the RC-5 chops well for a 5" bladed knife, but is "a poor substitute for a real hatchet or machete but it is certainly better than no chopper at all." Anyone surprised by this meaningless comment?

6. Self-defense: "I don't consider the RC-5 very suitable for close combat use as the point is too blunt." This comment surprised me. The pictures accompanying the article make the RC-5 look pretty damn pointy. Rowen has shipped all my RC knives hair-cutting sharp. I'm no knife fighting expert, but I bet I could stick the RC-5 clear through a beef rib cage. Most knife wounds in an ED are sustained from kitchen knives or steak knives. Many are leathal. Is Mr Dick suggesting that the RC-5 is inferior to a steak knife?

Overall, I was frustrated by the lack of substance in this article; it's anemic and has no real views. Like so many review article authors, Mr. Dick plays it safe and sticks to making superficial and meaningless comments about the RC-5. The comments he does make are guarded and often seem negative. He avoids giving his opinion about the knife or it's suitability for it's purpose. And frankly, making a fire in one's backyard and cooking "Boer-style beef stew" is hardly a test of an aircrew survival knife.

I would have liked to see some comments from some SERE instructors about why they like (or don't like) the RC-5. Interview a real expert! Or interview a SERE student who used the knife in SERE school.

I would have liked to see the knife used in an austere environment over a period of time. Reading between the lines, I got the sense Mr. Dick didn't really like the RC-5. Fair enough; but if that's the case, he should say so and suggest some improvements.

He belittles the combat capability of the RC-5, but never conducts any kind of weapons testing. Is Mr. Dick a knife-fighting 'expert' we should just believe? (I've never met anyone who was a real knife fighting expert and I take all the mall-ninja stuff with a big grain of saltpeter.)

A weak article, not worth reading: it doesn't say anything! I'd like to get paid for doing this quality of work. In fact, somebody send me a free RC-5 and I'll write a real review article....
 
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Wow!!!! Rotte, tell us how you really feel..:D

I own an RC-5 and was planning on reading the article, but now I wont waste my money, thanks for giving me a heads up.:thumbup:

Im hoping to go to the ranch this weekend, and will be doing my own review as soon as possible. :)
 
Wow!!!! Rotte, tell us how you really feel..:D

I own an RC-5 and was planning on reading the article, but now I wont waste my money, thanks for giving me a heads up.:thumbup:

Im hoping to go to the ranch this weekend, and will be doing my own review as soon as possible. :)



Sometimes I can get a bit carried away..... :foot:



But I stand by my criticism. :grumpy: I look forward to your comments JB.
 
Wow!!!! Rotte, tell us how you really feel..:D

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Sometimes I can get a bit carried away..... :foot:



But I stand by my criticism. :grumpy: I look forward to your comments JB.

No need for the foot in mouth buddy, I respect you opinion, and appreciate your candor. :thumbup:
 
I'd just like to see a review article where the author really put some thought into what he or she said. I suspect they don't want to offend a maker or come off as being overly infatuated with a knife. So they write a bunch of mush and try to pass themselves off as 'experts'. It's the same as with many different specialty magazines, automobile reviews for example. I wish these guys would grow a pair and say something worth my $6.95. (Can you believe these magazines cost $6.95? That's US currency!)

And now HWPB is going to laugh at me some more....
 
I'd just like to see a review article where the author really put some thought into what he or she said. I suspect they don't want to offend a maker or come off as being overly infatuated with a knife. So they write a bunch of mush and try to pass themselves off as 'experts'. It's the same as with many different specialty magazines, automobile reviews for example. I wish these guys would grow a pair and say something worth my $6.95. (Can you believe these magazines cost $6.95? That's US currency!)

And now HWPB is going to laugh at me some more....

I was considering a subscription, but I need to get my hands on an issue before I decide. I figure once I read through an issue, I can make an educated decision. But as of right now, I already have a negative perception of this magazine. :(
 
I'd just like to see a review article where the author really put some thought into what he or she said. I suspect they don't want to offend a maker or come off as being overly infatuated with a knife. So they write a bunch of mush and try to pass themselves off as 'experts'. It's the same as with many different specialty magazines, automobile reviews for example. I wish these guys would grow a pair and say something worth my $6.95. (Can you believe these magazines cost $6.95? That's US currency!)

And now HWPB is going to laugh at me some more....

If someone takes that much effort to type that long of a post chances are I'm not laughing, I did almost fall out of my seat laughing when I saw the next post started with "tell us how you really feel" :D classic :thumbup:
 
I'd just like to see a review article where the author really put some thought into what he or she said. I suspect they don't want to offend a maker or come off as being overly infatuated with a knife. So they write a bunch of mush and try to pass themselves off as 'experts'. It's the same as with many different specialty magazines, automobile reviews for example. I wish these guys would grow a pair and say something worth my $6.95. (Can you believe these magazines cost $6.95? That's US currency!)

And now HWPB is going to laugh at me some more....

It's not perfect, but TK is still the best knife mag out there. I think Steven Dick prefers thinner knives for backpacking and the like. He did not evaluate it as a SERE knife, which is what it was designed for.
 
Blair's right, he didn't evaluate it based on its purpose.

If I have the time and ingredients for a stew when doing a SERE, I'd:
1.) Have to wonder if it's really a SERE
2.) Be so damn happy to have stew ingredients, I don't care if the knife slices the potatoes and onions or splits them.

I really don't see someone in SERE having to do a lot of fine bushcrafting.

Not good at combat? OK, hand to hand, I's rather have a sword, hawk, warhammer, kukri, etc. But as knives go, I'd not want to get skewered on an RC5 and I can think of a whole lot of knives below it on the list.

Unfortunately, knife mags are a lot like guns mags. You never see anything really good or really bad about a product.
 
I have one and I just love it!!! It will do everything in a survival state that I need. Always have a stout EDC as well-Spyderco military is my wilderness EDC
 
Wow...... I'm the stoopidest hooman alive.

Seriously, I've looked at his pics of himself in TK mag and thought to myself, "He looks like Joezilla, mabey they're friends."



That was my evil twin mecha-Joezilla.
 
Rotte

So everyone claims the magazines never say anything negative about the knives they review. The second one doesn't gush all over a knife you seem to have the hots for and you are totally up in arms. But if you feel that way, why don't you write the magazine a letter and let them know about it?

By the way, it is a lot different to stab a knife through heavy nylon webgear, body armor, winter clothing and other military equipment that to put one in a side of raw beef. But what would Airforce guys know about that?
 
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Blair B and Cpl Pun.

So what is real SERE knife use? In a shot down behind enemy lines situation you hide, don't cut anything that would leave a sign you have been there, and hope for search and rescue to find you. If they don't, you spend the rest of your war in a POW camp (if you are lucky).

Military SERE training is about developing the right mental attitude to survive, not how to use your really special knife in some magical way normal civilians don't know about.
 
Blair B and Cpl Pun.

So what is real SERE knife use? In a shot down behind enemy lines situation you hide, don't cut anything that would leave a sign you have been there,

Good point. As I sit here and think about the few modern "shot down" stories I've read about, I don't recall any of them building bushcraft style shelters or even much mention of building fires. Just a lot of hiding themselves and trying to not leave any "trail" while getting the heck to safety.
 
Blair B and Cpl Pun.

So what is real SERE knife use? In a shot down behind enemy lines situation you hide, don't cut anything that would leave a sign you have been there, and hope for search and rescue to find you. If they don't, you spend the rest of your war in a POW camp (if you are lucky).

Military SERE training is about developing the right mental attitude to survive, not how to use your really special knife in some magical way normal civilians don't know about.

Are you speaking from military experience? I am curious to what branch of the service would teach our fighting men and women that you should hide and hope someone comes for you or you die and or get captured. Also why does the military bother to purchase and issue knives "decoration maybe".
 
Rangers and, yes, I've been through SERE training in one of the army schools.
The Airforce teaches their people they need to be rescued in 48 hours or things start going down hill fast after that. Read the accounts, you can about count the number of pilots that E&E from deep behind enemy lines back to safety on your fingers. Either Search and Rescue finds them quickly or they are captured. Ask John McCain
 
Rotte

The second one doesn't gush all over a knife you seem to have the hots for and you are totally up in arms. But if you feel that way, why don't you write the magazine a letter and let them know about it?

By the way, it is a lot different to stab a knife through heavy nylon webgear, body armor, winter clothing and other military equipment that to put one in a side of raw beef. But what would Airforce guys know about that?

Sidehill --

Re-read my original post. I said I don't have an opinion about the RC-5, and I don't. If I had the "hots" for an RC-5, I would buy one. I could have it in hand in 3-4 days. One of the great things about RAT knives is that they are reasonably affordable, and Dale or Derrick can get one for you right quick.

Your suggestion that I write to TK to voice my dissatisfaction is totally valid; I was merely responding to this thread on this forum.

I like your point about a combat knife needing to be able to penetrate multiple layers of gear. But please note the author of the TK article didn't test the RC-5's fighting potential in any way, let alone trying a "web-gear penetration test". Moreover, the RC-5 is designed as a survival knife, not a fighting knife. If I wanted a fighting knife I would buy a double edged blade designed for the purpose. Would you contend that the RC-5 is less combat ready than the AF survival knife ("Bolt Knife") it was designed to replace? If so, why? (You seem to want to present yourself as an expert on this subject.)

The reason I read the article in the first place was to learn more about the RC-5 to help me form an opinion. The article failed to teach me much of anything. I really don't mind if Mr Dick doesn't like the knife--for all I know he does like the knife--but either way I'd like him to say so, especially as his parting comment seems to imply that $130.00 isn't too much to spend on a knife that could help save one's life. Notice how ambiguous that comment is? I'll stand by my criticism that the article is mostly fluff, ambiguous, and really doesn't say anything useful. If you are a big fan of TK, I'm sorry if I offended you.

And why the dig at the Air Force? I think there are some Air Force members who do know a thing or two about using knives in combat. Interestingly, when I went through SERE, it was taught by Navy SEALS and they liked the AF pilot's knife over the Navy Knife or the bigger K-Bar. Maybe the Air Force does know something about knives.... I have great respect for every branch of service and the men and women who choose to serve. Thanks for your service too.
 
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A good review that would make me buy that knife is this one :
WoodsMonkey review on the RC-5

I would really buy this knife but unfortunately, I still have my LMF II from Gerber witch is my Aircraft Survival Bag Knife, so unless I find a way to put it to retirement, I won't be having an RC-5 anytime soon, to expensive as I already have a same type of knife.

RAT Pack #75
 
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