New Kershaw Camp chopper 1077-Anyone else excited about this one?

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I just saw this new knife coming out the other day from Kershaw. The 1077 camp!

http://www2.knifecenter.com/item/KS1077/kershaw-camp-10-fixed-blade-carbon-steel

I cant wait for it to come out.I really like the looks of it. I had some questions that hopefully Thomas or Jim could answer.
1. Whats the thickness going to be on this beast?
2. What sort of sheath will it have?
3. Most importantly any more information on when it might be available?

I'm really excited about this one and I hope it has a thicker blade than a machete but either way I cant wait to get my hands on it. Thanks!
 
I to am interested in if there is a kydex sheath available. Rather pay another $30 and get it fixed into my system correctly then it be in cheap ass nylon from China.
 
I am going to be significantly more excited when we find out the steel. I will be much less than excited if it is something like 1055, but, at the price point, I think it is probably going to be 1095 or 1080.
 
The blade steel is going to be 65MN, which is the equivalent of 1065 Carbon steel. The blade thickness will be 0.200" Should be a pretty stout piece.
 
For what it is worth, here is info I was able to dig up in about 2 minutes with Google.

Chinese steel which makes sense as this is a Chinese import knife.

"65Mn is equivalent to grade 1065 according to SAE J403"
"It's a spring steel with thermal resistance. Also used as the base of diamond coated saw blades. "

http://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=149317

Looks to be a common steel in saw blades, some carving blades, and blades in farm machinery. The only camp/pocket knife I was able
to find with a quick search that used this steel was a CRKT skinning knife.
 
Considering I have a ZT 0100 Made in the USA in CPM-3V with a nice kydex sheath, I reserve my right to be unimpressed with anything else:thumbup:. Though I suppose I see the appeal in having a cheaper alternative to an ESEE Junglas at 1/3 the price.
 
The 1077 will be more than 50% larger than the ZT 0100 so you really can't compare the two since they will have different usage.
The ESEE Junglas but Noctis is right, 3 times the price.

The Gerber Machete Jr. is half the price. Has C50 steel which is comparable to cheaper 1050 steel. Has a goofy serrated back edge. Thin machete thickness blade. Looks to have similar handles. Looks like typical
Gerber import quality.

Your best comparison will probably be the new KABAR Becker Machax at around twice the price. It is also slightly smaller. Kukri style designed really for chopping where the 1077 could
see some more traditional knife use. The BK4 Machax comes in 1095 with a thick durable coating and is US made. Comes with cheap Grivory handles which are comparable but you do
have the option of buying their micarta handles.

Verdict: Kershaw 1077 for the price is a pretty good knife and fills a niche where there is really nothing comparable near the price point. Would be better at twice the price, US made, with 1095. Will hopefully pave the way for that 1095 USA knife or a larger ZT. These cheaper but quality knives like the Crown are likely what keeps Kershaw profitable. Knives like the Crown are a baragain! It is those bargains that I imagine are why ZTs are a bargain and an 0560 isn't $600

Personally though I have no need for anything that large as it's really a compromise between an axe and a knife and I take both when I camp. I also prefer US made whenever available. When I've been backpacking or portaging and weight would be a concern
I've mostly been in parks (Glacier, Yellowstone, Boundary Waters Canoe Area) where you can't just go chopping wood as you feel like anyway. When I've backpacked in the Beartooths I suppose a small chopper may have been nice but if I really depended on it I think I'd go for the Junglas. I thought a large knife might be nice in grizzly country in national parks when you can't carry a firearm. On second thought though even if you've got a 5 foot Claymore sword if the grizzly is that close you're going to be dead before you remember to swing. Last time I was in Yellowstone the first grizzly death in 25 years happened right near us and we saw a helicopter land and thought it was some dignitary.
 
BTT.
Anyone put his hands on the Kershaw 1077?
kershaw-1077.jpg
 
AttilaTheHun said:
The outside dimensions are similar but the shape of the blade and handle appear to be fairly different.
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In designing the Camp 10 (1077), we looked at the Outcast (1079) and said, "how can we improve this?" A lot of of work went into the handle design, and we made a bunch of prototypes as we tweaked it to make it secure but comfortable. When you are doing some heavy chopping, the forces that act on the knife are much different than the forces you experience when you are just whittling or opening a box. The handle shape becomes crucila to make sure that the knife is comfortable, and that it doesn't slip out of your hand.

The blade is designed to be heavier further forward - the forward balance of the weight helps you power through thick brush and branches. The dual lanyard holes allow you to use a forward or rear mounted lanyard as an added measure of security.
 
jimmer_5 said:
In designing the Camp 10 (1077), we looked at the Outcast (1079) and said, "how can we improve this?" A lot of of work went into the handle design, and we made a bunch of prototypes as we tweaked it to make it secure but comfortable. When you are doing some heavy chopping, the forces that act on the knife are much different than the forces you experience when you are just whittling or opening a box. The handle shape becomes crucila to make sure that the knife is comfortable, and that it doesn't slip out of your hand.

The blade is designed to be heavier further forward - the forward balance of the weight helps you power through thick brush and branches. The dual lanyard holes allow you to use a forward or rear mounted lanyard as an added measure of security.
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Jimmer_5, thanks a lot for your response! Some more questions your way about the 1077 which sounds like a definitive improvement over the outcast:
- How thick is the blade?
- What steel is it?
- What's the sheath made of?
 
AttilaTheHun said:
Jimmer_5, thanks a lot for your response! Some more questions your way about the 1077 which sounds like a definitive improvement over the outcast:
- How thick is the blade?
- What steel is it?
- What's the sheath made of?
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1. The blade is 0.200" thick with a high flat grind and black powdercoat
2. The steel is 65Mn, which is the equivalent of 1065 Carbon steel.
3. The sheath will be molded
 
I"m liking the price point, and if it's overall designed to be an improvement to the Outcast, than I'm sold!

Kershaw needs to stop talking my monies!!! One can only skip meals for so long to save up for knives...
:p
 
TheAznInvazn said:
I"m liking the price point, and if it's overall designed to be an improvement to the Outcast, than I'm sold!

Kershaw needs to stop talking my monies!!! One can only skip meals for so long to save up for knives...
:p
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That's why Ramen was invented
 
jimmer_5 said:
1. The blade is 0.200" thick with a high flat grind and black powdercoat
2. The steel is 65Mn, which is the equivalent of 1065 Carbon steel.
3. The sheath will be molded
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Sweet! What's the weight on it?
I'm always struck by the similarities in some of the products coming out of Kershaw and Gerber, for example their excellent lines of hatchets are almost identical. Granted Pete Kershaw worked for Gerber until 1974 and both companies are based in the same town.
It seems the handle of the 1077 is somewhat reminiscent of the handle of the Gerber Parang (coincidence?).
Does Kershaw have in the works something similar to Gerber's Bear Grylls lineup? If you do, please choose someone who doesn't drink his own pee as your mascot.
I could totally see a machete version of the 1077 BTW.
 
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Well, here it is just a couple of weeks til Christmas, and still no 1077 or any word when, if ever, we will se it for real. Thanks, Kershaw, I was really hoping that Santa could bring me one of these. Guess I'll be crying in my egg nog this year.
 
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