new KMG grinder question

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Hello, this is my first post on the forums. Just got my KMG grinder delivered yesterday and mounted it all up. Now I'm ready to wire up the motor and I am having trouble deciding which switch to buy. The motor is 1 1/2 HP and I am wiring it to 110V. I was at Home depot the other day looking for a toggle switch, but the only one they had was rated for 3/4 HP... I noticed some people are just using regular switches like the ones that would be on the wall in your home, which would be fine. So I guess my question is, what do I need to look for to make sure I am buying a switch that is properly rated for this motor?

Thanks for the help!
 
Just ensure that the switch is rated at the correct amps. The amps your motor draws should be at most 80% of the amps the switch allows. Ie: if the motor draws 8 amps you need a switch capable of at least 10 amps. All you are doing is passing electricity through a switch, so the motor hp is somewhat irrelevant compared to the amp draw. 80% is just a general rule of thumb in electrical to avoid overheating, the lower the percentage, the better off you are.

Justin
 
I would get a switch with the proper HP or A rating, otherwise it could fail in the on position.
 
You should refer to the motor documentation to confirm their ratings for maximum current draw. Start-up currents can be much higher than calculated theoretical currents.

My 1.5 HP 115/230 VAC Leeson single phase TEFC motor's data sheet says that it draws 8.6 amps with 230VAC supply and that it draws 17.2 amps with 115VAC power at full load. The service factor rating is 19 amps with 115 VAC.

This document suggests that a 30 amp fuse and a 40 amp breaker be used when running a 1.5HP motor on 115VAC.

Ideally, you would use a switch with an amperage rating to meet or exceed the rating of the breaker (30-40 amps), but I doubt you'll find a 40 amp switch without paying a lot of money.

This is why, its much better to run motors over 1hp on 230VAC. The current is reduced by half, which allows smaller wire sizes, switches, and breakers to be used.

Please take this advice as coming from a layman. Someone else will hopefully come along to confirm or negate my recommendations.

The main point to be taken is that you are better off to run your motor with 230VAC if possible, and that you should use at least a 20 amp switch with your 115VAC setup. I'd recommend a 30 amp switch.

Mike
 
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A 1.5 HP motor running on 110VAC would theoretically draw 10.15 amps. But you should refer to the motor documentation to confirm their ratings for maximum current draw. Start-up currents can be much higher.

^^ I think this is a typo... a typical 1.5hp motor running on 110v draws around 16 amps. The newest Baldor high efficiency 1.5hp motors draw about 13 amps at 110v. Some older 1.5hp motors draw more like 19amps at 110v. I have never seen a 1.5hp motor rated for only 10 amps. Actually, I have many 1hp motors (Leeson, GE, Baldor) that draw more than that (most are 12-13 amps at 110v).

As you noted, all of the above will draw up to 5x the rated nameplate amperage during startup. So this is why you need a switch that is rated to 1.5hp @ 110v (motor-rated switches are specifically designed for the startup current inrush). Use one with overload protection (heaters) if your motor does not already have this (even if it does, double protection is nice on a grinder where the motor will be worked hard).

If your motor already has overload protection and you do not want extra protection in the switch, then look for a NEMA size 1 switch also known as a manual starter (NEMA 1 is the standard size rated for up to 2hp @ 110v). Arrow Hart, Furnas, and Allen Bradley make many of these and they are readily available on online auction sites (search "Furnas Motor Switch" or "Furnas Manual Starter" or "Furnas on off switch" for example -- unfortunately, people who sell them call them all sorts of different things). Something like a Furnas 13BA21B would be fine, for example -- several of my machine tools use this switch (again, no overload protection on it, so make sure your motor says "thermally protected" on the info tag before you use a switch without it!).

If you need motor protection, then look for a NEMA 1 starter. Allen Bradley 609 or 709 are arguably the best, but many manufacturers make them. You can buy them with on/off buttons built in, or wire them to a separate on/off button (the starter monitors the button and does the work of switching on/off the power when the button is pushed). In this case, you'll need to buy 'heaters' sized for your motor -- these are sortof like fuses...they go in the starter and shut off power when too much amperage is drawn.

The best, fanciest solution (and the one you would use if you had this in a OSHA-approved shop with employees) is to use a mag starter with heaters for overload protection. Mag starters keep the machine turned off if there is a break in power. So if power in your shop shuts off for a minute and then comes back on, the machine will not spring back to life after you've put your fingers in it to try to figure out what went wrong. Therefore, a NEMA 1 mag starter would be a great solution. Expect to pay a bit more for this than you would for a Furnas motor-rated snap switch like the 13ba21b, though.

Whatever you do, please do NOT use a lightswitch -- if you've seen others doing it, then they are definitely NOT professionals and, frankly, have no idea what they're doing. They may get away with it for a while, but it is a serious fire hazard and will certainly also burn out the switch contacts and stop working in relatively few on/off cycles.
 
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^^ I think this is a typo... a typical 1.5hp motor running on 110v draws around 16 amps. . .

I thought something seemed wrong with that calculation. I'll just strike that sentence and keep the rest of the message intact.

Thanks,

Mike L
 
Leviton sells many motor starters. Search on that at Zoro.com or Amazon and you will have what you need.
 
Thank you guys very much for your responses. Ended up finding a switch and got the grinder set up finalized. Even got my first knife ground out! Loving the KMG.
 
Thank you guys very much for your responses. Ended up finding a switch and got the grinder set up finalized. Even got my first knife ground out! Loving the KMG.

Post back if you have questions about the kmg. Many folks here have them and love them as well. It's a very versatile machine since it's made from 1/2" cold rolled.
 
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