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I have four knife designs that I plan on making soon. What do you guys think of these designs. I want to know if you all think these would be functional in everyday tasks. Thanks.

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I would work on handle design, for everyday use it needs to be comfortable and have good grip in many positions like cutting and stabbing. A straight back with a thick belly to me would be uncomfortable and not easy to hold in use. Try layering some cardboard and getting a feel for each profile.
 
Let me begin by disclosing that I am not an experienced knife maker. I'm in the process of learning. Part of that process has been to learn to draw a knife. Many thousand sketches later and I'm starting to get the hang of it, limited to the few styles that I draw. I do not wish to directly critique your drawings for a couple of reasons. Mainly because I don't know what you are designing the knife to do. (besides cut of course) Secondly I don't know that I have the experience to tell someone else what they are doing right or wrong. Finally, while I have seen you here or there in the forums, I don't have a good idea of your personality and don't wish to offend if critical. Instead I would like to share a few things I've figured out for myself that I think may be useful.

I like as few dead straight lines as possible in my designs. Usually the only dead straight line is the section of the edge from the belly to the ricasso. Some of my drawings have constant belly from tip to ricasso but I like a bit of straight edge when using knives. It is dependent on the intended use, which brings me to the next piece of advise.

Before setting pencil to paper, know what you are designing the knife to do. Are you designing a hunter/skinner, or rib tickler (a dagger), a bushcrafter or a vegetable slicer. Perhaps an all round EDC type. Then figure out what characteristics that particular knife has that makes it good at its job. Example might be the trailing point of a skinner or the extended heel of a kitchen chopper.

Next, I don't ever free hand draw, I trace the shapes I want. I use a set of french curves, coins, a plastic cup, wooden dowels, what ever is the right shape for what I want. Not wanting straight lines, I use a 3/16" diameter wooden dowel slightly bent to form a big radius when tracing the spine. I find that the largest french curve, with it's increasing/decreasing radius is just too acute for most of what I draw. I use a large mouth plastic cup, squeezed to desired shape, to trace the belly of the edge. Coins sized to match future small wheels for handle contours. A drill size gauge is great for accurately adding pin or corby bolt placement.

I will recommend using graph paper to initially help with proportions. The grid also helps to see really large radii like used in the spine or edge. Proportions are one area that I still struggle with and will get better as I make knives and get more hands on experience. One caution with using graph paper though is that it is easy to get locked into stopping at a line making everything in increments of what ever grid size your paper is. I mostly use graph paper with 1/4" little squares and everything I drew was dictated by a quarter inch. Now I bounce back and forth between some paper that has a 1/10" grid, 1/4" grid, and plain white paper for complete freedom. On the note book paper you have used it is difficult to see the size. If your last drawing is on wide ruled paper then it looks to have about a 3.4" blade and a 4.5" handle. Those seem like pretty good proportions. A more classical approach to proportions is to try and apply the golden ratio to some degree or another. Google golden ratio for a more complete explanation of such because it is more complex then I can easily explain.

Lastly, scour the web for pictures of knives that you like and save them in folders for future reference. It has been tremendously helpful for me to try and emulate designs I really like such as anything from Mr. Loveless, or closely related Mr. Dozier. Much of my style that I am developing is influenced by their knives. I don't plan to make everything I draw, on the contrary I often draw very similar profiles with minor variations over and over. When it comes time to make one I can just search through my 8000+ drawings (told you I draw a lot) and find the one that is perfect.

I hope this is helpful. All designs are works in progress, so keep them coming. I for one really enjoy the design aspect of knife making and hope to see more designs posted and discussed.
 
Thanks for the replies. Perrin- why don't you like straight lines. That is interesting to me. Thanks.
 
The simple answer is that I just find it more aesthetically pleasing to the eye. Stacy has equated it to the shape of a woman in other threads I've seen. I have tried to sketch an example. Not sure if I have illustrated it effectively but here it is.

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I tried to keep everything as much the same as possible except that the spine has a gentle radius. This does affect the tip and makes the one with a radius have more of a drop point then a straight point and the handle seems to have a little more meat to it but overall they are pretty much the same. The difference is subtle but there. You are welcome to look through my photobucket where I have a few more drawings saved.
 
Thank you for the illustration. I think I might look through your photos for some ideas. I went out and bought some french curves this evening. I don't quite know what I'm doing with them yet but I'm practicing. Here are 3 that I have drawn up tonight. I'm not overly fond of them except for the bottom design (possible neck knife) in the first picture. Any critic's and tips are more than welcome. I am not a sensitive guy so feel free to rip them apart.



 
Thank you for the illustration. I think I might look through your photos for some ideas. I went out and bought some french curves this evening. I don't quite know what I'm doing with them yet but I'm practicing. Here are 3 that I have drawn up tonight. I'm not overly fond of them except for the bottom design (possible neck knife) in the first picture. Any critic's and tips are more than welcome. I am not a sensitive guy so feel free to rip them apart.




I like the look of the first one, except that there seems to be too much drop towards the tip of the knife. The handle looks good though, and it's in good proportion to the blade.

The third one is kind of cool. Most handles you see are wider at the rear to prevent your hand from slipping back as you're using the knife. Keep on drawing until you find a design you really like, the get grinding!
 
I like the top one best. Probably due to the fact that I am not a big fan of scandi grinds unless it is really thin stock. If the middle one isn't intended to be a scandi grind then you might want to think about raising your bevel closer to the spine. One thing that does stick out to me (pun intended) is the termination point at the top of the handle on the pommel end, kinda pointy and if it doesn't effect the grip then it might still cause some discomfort if worn in a belt sheath. In the bottom drawing you have rounded that part and I like it better. Also there might be a little too much curve to the spine if you trace the outline of the big french curve fully. One thing you can do is trace half of the spine with the part of the french curve that has the largest radius then flip it over to do the other half. The point won't be so far down then. I like my point to drop about 1/4" or less, on a one inch wide blade, from the highest point of the spine in a drop or clip point but that is really just personal opinion. (really all of this is just personal opinion)

As far as using the french curves, I've looked for appropriate tutorials or instruction on how one is "supposed" to use them with very little success. One of my assistant coaches (I'm a high school girls soccer coach) is an art teacher and I asked her if there was any special technique for their use and she really didn't have anything to offer beyond connecting two points or a series of points. I have just played around with them and tried to find different parts to use here and there. I use the big one the most. I like the little ear shaped protrusion on the bottom (if the the big increasing/decreasing radius is on top) for the pommel end of the handle tracing. The middle size one is good for making a round handle end if you trace the top half of the curly cue on the end, then flip it over to complete the bottom half. Hope that makes sense.

One thing that I bet you have on hand are some plastic cups and bowls like the big tubs margarine comes in. These work great because you can squeeze or manipulate the amount of radius at the rim to suit various tracing needs. A big soft plastic serving bowl like my wife uses for potato chips at bday parties, also works well in the same fashion. Steaming a chop stick and setting a slight bow in it can give a really nice large radius curve. A heavy gauge piece of copper wire can be used likewise. Don't waste your money on one of those flexible curves, they are very difficult to get nice consistent transitions with, at least for me.

While drawing, not only do I try to keep in mind what my intended purpose is but also what the potential materials are and how I will go about making it if so inclined. Sometimes I draw a knife around a particular type or piece of handle material I see while shopping the suppliers sites. As an example a lot of my drawings lately have been for a drop point or clip point hunter with bolsters fore and aft and a piece of stag or rams horn in the middle. I'm still working on getting the proportions of the bolsters and horn right but they are looking better. On another reoccurring design, I always picture red linen micarta as the handle material and draw accordingly. I have no idea why that particular color and material inspire this certain profile but that's just how my mind works I guess. Keep in mind the 3 dimensional curve of the handle when indicating pins or lanyard holes. Can't put them too close to the edge cause it's hopefully gonna be rounded there.

I think that we are both mostly envisioning full tang construction and that is where I am at skill wise. But I also like to draw hidden tang and frame handle designs along with traditional construction Japanese tanto designs. These are well beyond my abilities at present but it has really helped me to under stand how it all goes together. I also like to draw kukri and kukri inspired full tangs which are well down the road for me. But they are so visually appealing. Point being I was initially afraid to try and draw such but once past that hurdle I have found that it has really increased my ability to envision or zen-like practice knife making.

Okay, well you guys thought Ian Hall was long winded. :D Happy drawing, maybe some more people with much more knowledge than I will chime in concerning your designs or knife drawing in general.
 
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Thanks again for the replies. They are a big help. I will try different methods and probably grab some graph paper as well.
 
I've drawn up a couple more designs. What do you all think? Are these improvements?
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Your getting the hang of it, I see a big improvement from you first drawings. Its good your not doing what I first did just grab a piece of steel draw a rough shape on it and go to the grinder, I wasted a lot of time and ground a lot of weird looking knives.
 
I like them both. Nice overall shape, looks like they would be good woods knives or hunters. I also like the blunt butt on the second one. Might have a bit too much belly in the handle but that really only can be determined by making a cardboard or wooden mock up. You can use modeling clay to replicate scales and figure out the 3D aspect of the handle design.
 
Here is my newest design. I think I'm starting to get the hang of these french curves. I think this is my favorite mock-up yet.

 
The first four designs are very blocky, not saying they wouldn't make good knives, they're just straight. The next two are a lot better, I really like the top one of the ones made with the French Curve. The last one is good, a little to straight for my taste, but that's just me, it'll still work fine more than likely.
 
Here is my latest drawing. I call it the pocket pal. The paper is crinkled so the spine of the blade looks a bit wavy.
 
I've been drawing all week and am ready to work on my next knife. I am having trouble on deciding which knife pattern I should start with. I am going to attach a few pictures and I want you all to tell me which knife I should make first. Thanks.






 
Personally, I'd go with the clip point camper, but I'd curve the top back of the handle downwards very slightly towards the butt. For comfort against the outer fleshy part of the palm, if that makes sense. Looks like a good all-round utility.
 
They are all improvements over the previous and that trend will continue. So I would advise picking your favorite one, then draw it 10 times and see where you are at. Then if happy with one of those make a cardboard or better yet wooden model to test out the actual feel. You can do the bevels and everything on a wooden knife as a sort of practice run.
 
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