New knife laws passed in Sweden : (

I feel for you (Swedish knifelovers). I think that I read about this accident last summer?

I'm shame about the fact the stabber was actually a Finninsh immigrant.

He had been visiting his family in Finlad and was on the way back to his 'home' He had history of being violent and sanity problems. He was sitting in a car that his sistert was driving(or he was I cant remember detalis) and as he was near the 'line' he tried to calm down drinking boose and smoking cannabis. Some other immigrant was driving on 'unsatisfactory' way and this man took a Leuku (lappknife) inside his jacket and stabbed that poor driver.

I don't like joking about this kind of accidents but this proves that puukko and leuku are tactical knives. I mention this because last summer there was a thread about 'tactical puukko'.
 
Vlad,

That was Louisianna that passed the car jacking law. It made it legal to shoot someone car jacking someone else not just you(open season on car jackers). We don't have many carjacking problems in Tennessee.

Take care,

Mike
 
mickman,

i think we won the dildo wars. something about safe sex and capitalism. now we get to conceal all our purchases.

so what about reciprocity? why do i get to drive my dangerous weapon through the US but i can't exercise my ccw?...because i can't afford cochran & bailey.

if we could just get all of the pro-choice voters to see the sham.

wayne
 
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ooooops...double post.

sorry.

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However the restriction Jonas described seems to be exceptionally illogical and shocking and I decided to get more info in this matter. This morning I got the answer, I'm quoting it in whole.
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Dear S,
with regards to the coming, slightly more rigid Swedish Knife Law (from July 1 2000), I don´t get upset. The stricter law is directed to criminals, so it is. In Sweden, your car is usually regarded as your private domain (as your home and house) and no policeman is generally allowed to seek for anything in your car unless he has got a statement from a judge.
But, if you act like a criminal, if you´re drunk, if you smell from hash or mariuana, if you go fighting and make a mess down town with your car, the police has the right to take the knife from you when you sit in your car. As it is today, you can behave as an ******* when you sit in your car, waving with your saturday night folder and ask anyone to **** off. Tomorrow a police officer will take that knife from you, that´s it.
The regular, normal user of knives, such as a workman, a carpenter, a fisherman, a hunter, a policeman, a guardian or anyone who very easy can point out his clear and needed use for a knife, will not be put in trouble when the new, slightly stricter Knife Law becomes valid from July 1st.
We have had the present Knife Law in Sweden for many years and those nuts which have carried their large 5" lockblade to dance, to school, to athlet and sports competitions have been forced to explain why the hell they carry such a knife on these places.
Of course, I don´t like regulations either, but we have got a tougher living from when I was young and I understand that our society at least will try to protect its inhabitants, though their attempts usually go for the result than for the reason.
So, the law is for criminals (like all laws) and won´t affect any normal use of knives in Sweden.
Take care
Peter Hjortberger, Fallkniven AB Sweden
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So knife user situation in Sweden seems to be not as tragic as was described
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Sergiusz Mitin
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Lodz, Poland
 
Hi!

Thanx Mr.Mitin for clearing things up!
Most definitely Mr.Hjortberger will have better understanding of the new laws, it relates to his job to know, and after all he is THE knife guru here in Sweden!!
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Be well!/Jonas aka 2Sharp


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2 Sharp, welcom e to the Global Plantation. The elites in Europe want All weapons out of the hands of the people;whethere guns, knives, swords,etc. Our elites are right behind you guys in Europe. Guns have been basically banned from England(EXCEPT FOR CRIMINALS WHO ARE WELL SUPPLIED NOW WITH EVEN AUTO WEAPONS) and their knive laws are nearly as bad. How low once great Nations like Sweden and England have fallen in this modern age of Global Governments! I bet if KIng Charles came back he would kick some you know what when he saw your elite politicos in action!

Until the peoples of Europe,North America , and the rest of the world wake up and realize all these anti gun and anti knife laws are all part of one large UN plan to disarm US ALL, we will continue down the path to worldwide slavery. "Freemen are armed,Slaves are not"! Just my crazy opinion!
 
Originally posted by Sergiusz Mitin:
However the restriction Jonas described seems to be exceptionally illogical and shocking...
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And it is!!

Don’t carry your 5 inch folder to a dance club...Zight, I forgot - them criminals never try to mug you when you are out from the dance, or gym or the athletic event - now everything is clear...
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Is it just me - or does the quote in this message sounds somewhat irrational?
 
From Peter Hjortberger of Fallkniven (good guy to deal with, by the way):

We have had the present Knife Law in Sweden for many years and those nuts which have carried their large 5" lockblade to dance, to school, to athletic and sports competitions have been forced to explain why the hell they carry such a knife in these places.
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As I've mentioned in other threads around here, I carry a 6" Cold Steel Vaquero Grande to temple on Friday night. But the other "regulars" there already know I'm a nut. And those sisterhood ladies who aren't afraid to pick it up think it does a terrific job on a loaf of "challah" bread.
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- JKM
www.chaicutlery.com
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Fallkniven knives are cool but Mr. Hjortenberger and I disagree on this. He appears to trust implicitly that the search laws will survive.
Well, not if Swedes are anything like American judges. When the U.S. banned drugs, people said the same thing--oh, don't worry, after all they don't have the authority to search unless you're already making trouble, so this will only apply to troublemakers.
Now the 4th Amendment is dying slowly because the bans were passeda and immediately people started moaning that they were ineffective with the Constitution standing in the way of progress.
 
The fact is that it is illegal to carry ANYTHING that the police might consider a weapon. Screwdrivers, baseball bats, ASPs etc. I have written to the Swedish Crime Preventing council (Brottsforebyggande radet) and asked them if there was any statistics that showed a decrease in knife related violence after the knife law was introduced in the late 80s. They had none! My point is that the people who are using knifes offensively (muggers, gangsters etc) will not pay attention to any laws. The crime rate will remain the same. Some years back we had a problem with criminals stealing peoples guns (Sweden pop: 9.000.000, guns: 2.200.000)
Surely a new law would prevent the thugs from obtaining weapons! Anyone wanting to buy a weapon now have to buy a safety cabinet / locker first! Do the criminals lack weapons? Not at all. They just switched from the everyday shotguns stolen from licenced owners to illegaly imported military assault rifles. Ten years ago the average bank robbery was done with a shotgun. Now it´s done with a Heckler & Koch MP5SD. This summer two police officers was shot dead (RIP) during a chase. With what? An UZI ofcourse! I say; punish crimes comitted with knifes harder! Make the guilty pay! Don´t punish the innocent...
 
I quoted Peter Hjortberger to present another standpoint in this matter, in my opinion this standpoint is somewhat more judicious and less sensation desiring.
I can see also the opposite side of this standpoint, I described it in my answer, here is a quote.
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Dear Peter,
Many thanks for info on knife laws in Sweden, I quoted your mail on BladeForums in whole. I have somewhat conflicting feelings in this matter. Of course some limitations for hooligans are required by all means. The difference between hooligan and normal man is clearly visible. But how to select hooligans from normal people from the law standpoint? You will do nothing wrong but the policeman on the street will take your knife and you to police station because he'll seem you are doing something wrong. It's also the great possibility for law abuse from police side.
On the other hand I'm behaving normally (usually) and I have no problems even with our Polish police (also usually).
However it's very difficult question and I think no one country can to solve it the way to satisfy all citizens.
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I'm relating clearly: all restrictions and limitations affect normal people and can do nothing with violent felons - they simply are &*^%#% out all regulations.
On the other hand would you like to live in the society without any regulations? I wouldn't.
This can't to change fact that I'm going nowhere without my Taurus PT-22 pistol (at least) loaded with CCI Stingers
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When I was debating the very very broad definition of "dirk or dagger" (all sharp pointy objects) here in Caliifornia, I was told that I shouldn't worry because the police are trained to use "discretion and common sense" in deciding when to make an issue of something and when not to, and because the authorities would normally not have "probable cause" to search just anybody.

While the authorities in a stable democratic country may be mostly benign and mostly sensible most of the time, I don't believe there is any such thing as authorities who are so benign and so sensible that they can be trusted with a law that criminalizes a wide range of innocent behavior, on the assumption that they will only apply it to bad people.

And I cannot understand the assumption in many places' laws that self-defense is not an "innocent" purpose.


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- JKM
www.chaicutlery.com
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