New knife with spyderhole in sight?

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disorder - your opinion has been dismissed :rolleyes: No Melodrama here sir.
your statement :
" when anybody with a little of knifeKulture see a round hole in a blade he thinks it could be a Spyderco " . .....uhhh not with the group of friends I have. If I see a car with a wing on the back am I to assume it is a race car ? please.... be real .

if Spyderco is as good as Sal claims then I don't think the hole is really what makes the knife.
I will give Spyderco a tip of my hat for being around so long and surviving the game this long.


Sal... are you saying you have never seen a Blackwood folder up close and personal before this Benchmade collab ?

I wish all involved Benchmade , Neil , Spyderco can come to an agreement. No offense was meant to piss anyone off.

Some people can dish it but can't take it back , open forum still ain't it ?

With that I must bail and go reassemble my Strider AR.....peace.
 
Hi 45guy,

"I will give Spyderco a tip of my hat for being around so long and surviving the game this long".

Thanx.

"Sal... are you saying you have never seen a Blackwood folder up close and personal before this Benchmade collab" ?

correct. Not even a photo.

"I wish all involved Benchmade , Neil , Spyderco can come to an agreement. No offense was meant to piss anyone off".

I don't think anyone is pissed off. We have been very careful to maintain a civil communication on the Spyderco forums.

"Some people can dish it but can't take it back , open forum still ain't it" ?

Of course it is an open forum. that is my requirement, as long as it's civil. Dishing it out and taking it is not a problem here.

There are Spyderco "drop points", "trailing points", "Reverse S", "warncliffe's". "leafs" "spear points".

There are no Spyderco "wimps".

"With that I must bail and go reassemble my Strider AR.....peace".

have fun and Happy New Year.

sal
 
45, at first , happy new year to you and everybody here.

then, our opinions , are only our opinions.
my statement could be questionable ,but is my experience..your is different, that's ok.

the other points
( 20 years of round hole on any spyderco knife, against a few years and a few knives of mr. Blackwood carry the 3 holes and also not in a functional way, plus the Kershaw/Onion design using them)
in my previous post still -for me ,of course- are and will be valid and real, since nobody took a real fact agains them.

this said, i'll be back in my field and i'll stop here with this thread.
Sal, thanks ,as usual , for the umanity,integrity and definately class you showed us.

my best regards to everybody.
 
Hello all, I have to say that I came across this thread after doing a search for the Benchmade 630. I saw a picture of it on another website and came here to see what people were saying about it.

My first response when seeing the picture was: "No way! A production Blackwood!" Never even occured to me that it some people might think it was a Spyderco because of the round hole. I do not think it does. I will state that I have more Benchmades than I do have Spydercos, but I think that each company produces great knives. I like and carry Benchmades because of the Axis lock.

I can understand the concern about trademarks, because brand indentification is important, but that is what LOGOS are for. I cannot understand how anyone could consider the 630 a Spyderco-I don't think any of their knives look like it.

The thing that gets me is that the hole, the trademark is functional. I personally agree that a functional item like the hole should not be considered a trademark. If that were the case, then who was the first person to use a thumbstud on their knives, or a thumb disc, or nail groove? Many knifemakers use these items on their knives and yet does anyone(other than an knife history geek) know the originators?

Myself, I judge a product by the build quality, the materials and design, both functionality and asthetics. Seeing a hole in a knife does not give me the impression that the knife is quality. I just do not purchase things that way. The item has to speak for itself. I buy a Spyderco because Spyderco has a good reputation not because they have a hole in the blade. Just as I do not think that all Benchmade Axis knives are quality-some of these knives are great but the steel used is not desirable to me.

Maybe I am not as gullible or as brand loyal as other people. The shoe analogy is a good one. When I go to buy a new pair of running shoes, I know that from previous experience that Nike, Reebok, etc. all make a good shoe and have their respective trademarks. What I do not do is look at a shoe, see that it has a swish on it and automatically buy it because of the swish. I believe this to be foolish. If the shoe fits and is comfortable, then I buy it. I am not into popularity. The way I see it, if Spyderco wants to generate sales by people that do buy products in this way, I'll always dislike it, but the quality of their knives is what draws me to their product, not a trademark.
 
Rzrbk8, there are Spydie models of which I am not fond, indeed, some that I just plain do not like, as in the Pro-Hunter or the old plastic clip Endura and Delica models, but the SpyderHole is, for me, a very definite plus in openning a folding knife, infinitely preferrable to discs, pins, etc. Spyderco's excellent reputation for quality and innovative design that may take a bit of "adjustment" on my part also causes me to regard a knife by them a more benevolent consideration than most others, simply based on a relationship of trust. That is what trademarks are all about, they represent the trust that a company has built up for its products over the years and it hurts to see others using their trademarked symbols inapproriately. How would you feel about some company using BenchMade's Butterfly symbol on a product that competes, head to head, with one of BenchMade's. You can bet that BenchMade would not like it and I strongly suspect that the BenchMade enthusiasts such as yourself would not like it. Well, neither do Spyderco, its owner, and those who care about the comppany and its products when someone else uses Spyderco's trademarks on a competitive blade.

BTW, it is not the hole that is trademark registered, it is the ROUND hole used as an opening device that is a registered trademark, as I understand it. A hole is functional, a round hole is no more functional, as far as the government is concerned, than any other shaped hole. Now, I prefer a round hole, but that is a preference, just as I prefer the metallic blue color of the BenchMade 930 SwitchBack over the basic black that everyone seems to use.
 
I guess my point is that I believe that trademarking a round hole in a blade is inappropriate given its function. I consider it monopolistic. To me, making a round hole a trademark is like making round tires on a car a trademark; goofy. You make an excellent point about the Benchmade symbol/logo, but then again, it is a symbol. I can understand Spyderco being concerned about someone using the Spyderco logo, but a round hole-gimme a break!

Anyway, I'm going to drop this from any further discussion as I see it has been hashed and rehashed elsewhere now too. I think that I am not alone in my feelings either. These are good threads though!
 
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Benchmade 630 Skirmish by Neal Blackwood.
S30V for the 4.3" blade, Closed 5.5", open 9.7", 6.84 oz., Handle is bead blast / anodized 6AL 4V-Titanium scales, Monolock with a Modern Reverse curve interpretation blade
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someone (notice: before Christmas) wrote to forum::
Everyone,
Wait until the production knife is released before making comments.

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12-27-2003 ...on sale at EDC now ...January release date!


Ou LOL!...I think this is very interesting case..and i have read few BF threads about it...-trademark or not, stolen or not and ETC. ..

SO, AT THE END :: please, someone who is informed, what is final result, this bad saga is finished or continue ?

Any news or not, some agreements or not, Spyderco vs. Benchmade and etc.?
 
Looks like half the story is done. Blackwood and Benchmade are thieves. Second half of the story will be worked out in the courts.
 
Originally posted by brownshoe
Looks like half the story is done. Blackwood and Benchmade are thieves. Second half of the story will be worked out in the courts.
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3rd half will be worked out when you pull your head out of your a$$.

Be careful who you call a thief loser.:grumpy:
 
Originally posted by the45guy
3rd half will be worked out when you pull your head out of your a$$.

Be careful who you call a thief loser.:grumpy:
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Personal attacks won't be tolerated on this forum. Period.

Thread closed.
 
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