New member Case & GEC Questions.

Simmonsknife74 said:
And also great eastern will hold a edge better. Case cv blades hold a good edge,but Rough Rider steel rolls over easy and dont hold well. If you like RR knives go out and use one then you will see they are junk.
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I do have a rr sunfish, although the fit and finish is alright for the very low price tag it does have lots of indications that it is not an expensive, maticulously made knife like gec. I find the steel (440) takes a nice mirror edge for a moderate time.

The thing about the price is that you guys pay say $40-60 for one, but we have to pay £40-60 and the exchange rate makes that nearly double the cost for us, add with that shipping of around £20-30 for shipping froma real knife US knife store (we can't buy knives off of ebay anymore..) and made worse yet again by our thieving scum royal mail who kindly force us to pay a rediculous handling fee on 'expensive items' from abroad. ($1 = £0.6 btw)

This is our Biggest and most popular knife store (no affiliation) and they sell everything at usually the lowest price in the country. Check out the prices on all the stuff made in the us, it's got to be soemthing to do with improt taxes and what not.. but it's rediculous that we have to pay twice the price for something that should cost around 30% less!

http://www.heinnie.com/Knives/Case-Knives/c-1-92-716/

I bought two ocarinas from a US dealer over christmas and shipping on it was $45, then I had to pay £20 = $31 on those 'handling fees'.

is there a store that can ship GEC or case knives to England for a genuine cost? and one that won't display the vlaue of the items so I can avoid those stupid charges??
 
^^ I dunno about that simmonsknife44. I'm no metallurgist, but I've owned several GECs, Cases, as well as Rough Riders. And you know what ? So far I've been impressed with all three companies. Rough Rider's 440A, while no super steel is very much so in the same league as Case's tru-sharp as far as I'm concerned. It's got a decent heat treat and will take an even sharper edge with a bit of work with my Lansky. Fit an finish is very respectable with the Rough Riders, it seems to me that every new one I obtain has better fit than the last. I feel like they are trying their best to improve quality control. I also own a score of Case as well. Some old, some new. I believe the newly manufactured Case are of more than serviceable quality. Maybe not the best value, but still a reliable choice nonetheless. GEC never ceases to amaze me, with their level of quality control as well as construction and materials involved. Many here feel that they're expensive, however I'm baffled as to how they make any money, given the level of detail that goes into them. I'm a happy camper, and try to appreciate them for what they are. A Rough Rider is a 9 dollar knife, Case's start around 40, and GEC are like 75-125 bucks. Some offer a better value than others, but I digress......
 
Like others have said: Gec > Case > Rough Rider. The question is: Case is better than Rough Rider, is it four times better? The RRs are so cheap here (under $10) you can buy a half dozen, check out new patterns, use them without worrying. Out of those half dozen, I would guess that one or two will be crappy, one or two will be great. At least, that's been my experience, and I think explains why some members here think they're great, and some members think they're crap. Some of what you'd be paying for with a Case is consistency. No company is perfect 100% of the time, so I wish I had a local store where I could check out the knife before buying.
 
how long do the RRs last for though? I heard that there are a lot of shortcuts taken in their production that aren't immediately apparent when they are new, but will shorten the life of the knife a lot.
 
I do a lot of business with the UK dealer you referred to Samon, but they're not averse to giving out (or publishing) inaccurate information. All the RR knives I've had have been well made and impressive for the money I paid for them, but I prefer carbon-steel blades, which RR don't currently produce. You can find other UK dealers of Case by doing a Google search, there's a couple, and while the price of the knives are dearer than in the US, they're not over the top. I've only had one Case knife from one of them, but the fit and finish really is excellent, as was the service I received. GEC knives are in another league, but as you know, cost a great deal more here (about twice as much) as in the US.
 
Whetrock it isnt about putting a edge on a knife its how long it holds it.I can sharpen anything no matter the knife like a razor. And you want to know how rough rider makes there knives so cheap with child labor the factory works kids 12-14 hour shifts for little if any money. I have had some before i dont know.I wouldnt own one of them.
 
Check out collectorknives.net for gec and check out (non BF dealer reference removed, please read the forum guidelines) cutlery for case
 
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fatcorgi said:
how long do the RRs last for though? I heard that there are a lot of shortcuts taken in their production that aren't immediately apparent when they are new, but will shorten the life of the knife a lot.
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I think that's a diffcult one to answer, mainly because a cheap knife doesn't always mean a plastic, poop steel knife from a flea market that will likely break easier than one costing more. Saying that my dad gave me some cheap chinese knock off swiss army knife when I was seven, he had it for years and I still have it in one piece! same goes for some beaten up old buck 110 copy he gave me when I was about 9, I carried it for years and although it had tonnes of blade play, wasn't razor sharp and had poor f&f it never broke, or fell apart!

I don't think I've ever had a knife that fell apart through normal/slightly abusive use, some have chipped etc but my guess a rough rider will last as long as any other moderately priced knife, maybe not as long as a real SAK but maybe it could? I see no signs of my sunfish falling apart, breaking or becoming unusuable anytime in the next 10 years (and this is based on the cheap tat that lived in my pockets for many years that never broke!) .

@jackblack, could you recommend a local dealer of US knvies mate? or possibley one from the US that will ship to me?
 
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Samon said:
@jackblack, could you recommend a local dealer of US knvies mate? or possibley one from the US that will ship to me?
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Will send you a PM :)
 
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I was just struck by the same thing. Seems this thread is peppered with red. :(

Personally, I've only had experience with one RR knife, and it was very well made. I bought it for a knifeless friend, and sharpened it up for him before presenting it (didn't really need it, I suppose, but I wanted to be sure). He's used it quite a bit over the last year or so, and it's held up very well. Three or four months after I gave it to him, I checked up on it, asking how much he'd used it, and examining the edge & overall condition. Now, he's not scoring sheetrock with it, or skinning elk; but for being used several times a day on packaging, food, and other daily uses, it seemed to have done very well. The edge only needed a minor touch-up to straighten out a spot where it had rolled a little.
Based on this, I'd have to say that RR makes a good knife, especially for the money. I can't personally bring myself to buy 'em, since there are so many great offerings from companies located a mere 2-hour drive from my house... but if I were stuck with a RR or nothing, I don't think it'd let me down.
 
personally have not had much luck with the rough riders. some nice patterns but tension on the blades make it nearly impossible to open without bending nail inward, not worth money for the pain of the blades. i own plenty of case knives from 2005 to present, all of them have crisp opening and closing with no to minimal blade play. only fraction of a sliver of space in the liners. i have met some cases that were imperfect (wobbleyness that drives me crazy when can hear it move from side to side!) but i blame myself for shopping ebay, not very lucky with that. havnt had any problem on amazon or buying from stores. i would trust a most case knives from any era to satisfy an owner. i havnt had the pleasure of owning a GEC yet but at that price, i would by a knife like that in person to examine the knife thoroughly before purchasing. hope this is of help to you!
 
I have been handling a lot of Case knives lately. I generally like the the older Case knives mostly for the asthetic of the red bone but I do have some newer models. What I am finding with Case is not so much the build quality but the springs seem to be weak. I passed on a really nice two blade jack at a Case dealer that was wonderful except the springs were weak, especially on the main blade. Shame too.
 
fmendez said:
I have an all steel GEC Sunfish and love it. It fits right in the pocket
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how long are the blades/blade edges on the sunfish's? I'd like to pocket mine daily and don't want any police trouble so it needs to be under 3" (75mm) in total/edge length. Do GEC do the best sunfish?
 
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