New Member - CRK Sebenza 31...worth it?

Have any of you ever tried to slim down the collection to just a few knives? I feel like I could really go on and on with "look at this sweet D2 hollow ground blade for only $50?!". Then 9 knives later of D2 beaters you think.....I could have gotten a Sebenza haha.

Hence why I am looking for that next-level blade that isn't flashy but has elegant simplicity and time-tested reliability.

Tried to slim down the collection many times. It is very hard since some have sentimental value or just couldn't be replaced latter. I do think that if I were to go to a single knife, that the Sebenza would fill all my needs, just not all my wants :)
 
Have any of you ever tried to slim down the collection to just a few knives? I feel like I could really go on and on with "look at this sweet D2 hollow ground blade for only $50?!". Then 9 knives later of D2 beaters you think.....I could have gotten a Sebenza haha.

Hence why I am looking for that next-level blade that isn't flashy but has elegant simplicity and time-tested reliability.

I did this a few years back . My small seb 21 and 25 was all I kept from a vast collection that included high end stuff like custom Emersons, Terzuolas, tighes, thorburns etc., high end production like shiro, rockstead, strider, hinderer, and the usual zt/spyderco/bm.

Should tell you how I rate these knives .In use they are extremely well engineered . Have great cutting geometry, and, most importantly, have top customer service should I ever need it .

For me they are worth it.

In my first knife purchase in over a year or so I just picked up a large 31.
 
They aren't worth it to me but the fact that the 31 is 9-12 months out tells you they are worth it to a lot of people.
 
For me they’re worth it. Pricey yes, overpriced? Maybe, but I can justify the cost. They’re not the perfect knife but they have scratched the itch for me. As others stated the tolerances, precision and hydraulic feeling is something a step above. My first Crk didn’t ruin me on my other knives at first. Slowly the collection grew and by about the third Crk I owned I was all in. They’re all I carry anymore, and I work them daily. Great work knives and they wear scars well. I only own 21s and inkosi’s so that’s all I can speak for. Owned a mnandi and umnumzaan but sold them. I met with a buddy today and brought him large and small to try. He went with the small and loved it. I prefer large. I don’t find them too big or bulky at all. I rarely ever notice them in the pocket. Everyone else has stated very good points. Used market is not a bad way to go.

As far as trying to slim down the collection, I’ve slowly tried. My purchasing has came to a crawl and I’ve sold several lately and plan on letting a few more go. I don’t need as many as I have.
 
Hello,

I am a new member to the forum and Im curious about those Sebenza owners out there.

I know the obvious answer to this might be "yes you should get one" but hear me out. I have a 940, GM Ace Biblio, Para3 Lightweight, RAT2 and some other budget knives and I am looking to get that knife that is kind of a game changer and hopefully scratches the itch (for a few months anyway).

I am have a hard time justifying $450 and I am most interested in how this thing is in hand....size, weight, do those of you who have it actually use it?

Which is better Large or Small?

Love any feedback!

^ I personally prefer the Large Sebenza. I've owned 2 or 3 small Sebbie's & they're just way too small of a knife, for me anyway.

As for the Large 31: I think they're totally worth it; at least as much as a 21 IMHO. I could only read about 2 pages in the CRK sub-forum, regarding what a few people felt were lockup issues with the 31; personally, I'm not buying any of it- at least not with mine. I'm sure if I really torqued on it or whacked the hell out of the spine, I could probably get it to move or flex some...... :rolleyes:

I actually like the 31 a little more aesthetically, than the 21, but there's no way I'm letting any of my 21's go ATM. Functionality & F&F wise, the 31 I feel, is right on par with it's predecessor. :thumbsup::thumbsup:

Bottom line: you can't go wrong with a CRK Sebenza. Life is short, every knife enthusiast should buy at least 1 in their lifetime. If it's not for you, then simply sell it.

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^ I personally prefer the Large Sebenza. I've owned 2 or 3 small Sebbie's & they're just way too small of a knife, for me anyway.

As for the Large 31: I think they're totally worth it; at least as much as a 21 IMHO. I could only read about 2 pages in the CRK sub-forum, regarding what a few people felt were lockup issues with the 31; personally, I'm not buying any of it- at least not with mine. I'm sure if I really torqued on it or whacked the hell out of the spine, I could probably get it to move or flex some...... :rolleyes:

I actually like the 31 a little more aesthetically, than the 21, but there's no way I'm letting any of my 21's go ATM. Functionality & F&F wise, the 31 I feel, is right on par with it's predecessor. :thumbsup::thumbsup:

Bottom line: you can't go wrong with a CRK Sebenza. Life is short, every knife enthusiast should buy at least 1 in their lifetime. If it's not for you, then simply sell it.

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Haha, what you say is pretty compelling! Anyone know where these might still be in stock?? I would love one with silver hardware.

Man, I started this hobby 3 or 4 years ago with an Ontario Rat II thinking "this is so much better than a gerber!" and here we are haha.
 
Considering the knives you already have, not sure you will like it.
Or if you like it, then it may change your perception on knives

I don’t have a 31 yet but I have some CRKs
I would go large rather than small on the sebenza, for me the small was too “in between two sizes” and I let it go
For a smaller blade Inorefer my small inkosi.

i had a 50+ collection at some point.
I sold most of them and changed the orientation of my collection after getting into CRK
I slim it down under 10 and I stand now in the sub 30 knives if I should keep only two it will be 1) small inkosi 2) large sebenza insingo

in many ways CRKs are not worth the moment
Material, weight, fidget factor, fast deployment... are overtaken by the hype and marketing of other companies
What draw me to CRK is that it is mechanically very well put together and maintenance is a dream

i use mine and I am very happy with it.

For sure other brands offer great tool with higher perceived value.
Benchmade, Spyderco have great models. I am less and less into S’ZT but they are great too
For me Koenig and CRK stand over the other because of the quality of the assembly
 
My boss is not a "knife guy", but he spends many weeks throughout the year rough camping. He has a Gerber fixed blade and has owned a large Sebenza for about 17 years.
He uses and abuses it and every few years he sends it back to CRK to be refurbished, and it looks brand new again.
For him it's a knife that he will own for a lifetime.
 
Haha, what you say is pretty compelling! Anyone know where these might still be in stock?? I would love one with silver hardware.

Man, I started this hobby 3 or 4 years ago with an Ontario Rat II thinking "this is so much better than a gerber!" and here we are haha.

^ I meant to add: Welcome to BladeForums! :)
Part of the excitement is, chasing a grail. There have been a few grail's over the years, that have taken me quite a long time to find....& that's half the fun; chasing a grail, & then finally finding it!

Considering the knives you already have, not sure you will like it.
Or if you like it, then it may change your perception on knives

I don’t have a 31 yet but I have some CRKs
I would go large rather than small on the sebenza, for me the small was too “in between two sizes” and I let it go
For a smaller blade Inorefer my small inkosi.

i had a 50+ collection at some point.
I sold most of them and changed the orientation of my collection after getting into CRK
I slim it down under 10 and I stand now in the sub 30 knives if I should keep only two it will be 1) small inkosi 2) large sebenza insingo

in many ways CRKs are not worth the moment
Material, weight, fidget factor, fast deployment... are overtaken by the hype and marketing of other companies
What draw me to CRK is that it is mechanically very well put together and maintenance is a dream

i use mine and I am very happy with it.

For sure other brands offer great tool with higher perceived value.
Benchmade, Spyderco have great models. I am less and less into S’ZT but they are great too
For me Koenig and CRK stand over the other because of the quality of the assembly

+1 Excellent post! :thumbsup:

I've too have been through several of those "slimming down the collection" moments (good luck with that)...

To this day, I very much regret, trading this CRK 21 CF/WCS for a MT Stitch....which in retrospect, was a big idiot move. I wish I had a "do over" to do on that one. Looking back, that one was one of the more enjoyable edc knives I had in my rotation back then.

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For me they are worth it. My €1000 Iphone from the same year as my 3th crk is now obsolete. My crk’s I carry daily and keeps going strong.

but; in order to like them I think you need to have some adoration for the engineering and tolerances. For me the thin bladestock and perfect grind arethe best part.
 
For me there is no knife that is an overall upgrade when compared to a Sebenza except an Inkosi. There are knives that are on par, but different. The fit and finish can’t be bested, the minimalist design can’t be bested, Imo the materials can’t be bested (S35VN is the ultimate edc blade steel for a user, jacking all trades knife) & I’ve had experience with lots and lots of companies customer service and CRK easily reigns supreme. I’ve owned Koenig, Shirogorov, BM Gold Class, Hinderer, Strider, all kinda of high end fixed blades, a slew of Spyderco, several Benchmades and a few Kershaws to name a few. I know it’s cliche but the big three are still the big three for me. CRK, Hinderer & Strider in that order.
As far as the 31 issues, I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s an overreaction. I haven’t purchased one yet mainly because I have 3 21s and I don’t feel the need to have duplicates currently.
 
I would like to add that S35VN is just the perfect knife steel if you sharpen your knife yourself. I sharpen lightly every day on a coticule to keep the edge razor sharp. I have more fancy blade steels in my collection, but for me as a home sharpener (with 30 years of practice) they don’t add much. When you have to let your knife sharpened they might me a bennefit due to the longer times in between. But a razors edge is always gone after a few cuts, and I like to keep it razor sharp.
 
I would HIGHLY suggest NOT buying a 31 and instead buying a used 21 here on the forums.

The 21 is the true Sebenza (in my opinion).

As for size it depends on what your needs are. Do you like carrying a larger blade on your person or a smaller one for EDC? Also how often do you cut things throughout your day? - If it's only for mail and little odds and ends here and there - I'd say go with the small, its way smaller and lighter weight yet will get the job done with you forgetting it's even in your pocket, many guys with big hands use the lanyard to get their pinky on anyway, and if your not doing heavy cutting it won't be an issue in the slightest.

If you are using it for work and will be constantly having to cut things throughout your day, go with a large for ergo's (so your hand has more options on how to grip the knife) and also so you have a larger blade making your cutting tasks that much easier and comfortable.

I've gone through phases, the first 7 or 8 years I liked Smalls better. Now for the past few years I've liked Larges better, thats just a size preference, and is up to the person.

As for blade shape I'd say either the drop point or insingo - your choice.. just stay away from the tanto.

I'd say either way, get a used plain jane 21 on this forums. You will be nowhere near your $450 mark of buying a new 31. (we are talking $100-$175 cheaper) depending on small/large and condition - dont get hung up on snail trails on the scales because those will come over time if your going to be using and carrying the knife daily... Plus a quick trip to the spa for $25 will have them looking BRAND NEW again. - Just don't buy 1 if it has been modified by the owner at all, because then the warranty is likely void, which defeats the purpose, because one big reason you are spending so much on the knife is because you are buying in to the company itself, and they will be there for you no matter what, whether it be 1 year or 10 years after you bought the knife, even if you bought it second hand..... just as long as you dont modify it!

Another HUGE benefit of buying a used 21 that you might not think about, is that it is going to come to you already broken in. Meaning you won't have a stiff sebenza like they come new from the factory. Over time and with use, they break in nicely to the point that I've got both of my larges action literally like it's gliding on glass, its unreal and no other knife comes close to those 2 I own for how smooth the action is. -- Whenever I pick up a newer Chris Reeve I cant stand how stiff it is, I guess I'm just spoiled by mine at this point.

I own a large 21 with box elder inlays which is by far my favorite of all my Chris Reeve knives... it's a workhorse and still a work of art at the same time.

Don't get too hung up on buying a used knife, if that bothers you send it in to Chris Reeve for their spa treatment and they will send you that knife back looking damn near close to brand new again, for a low fee of I believe $25. It's honestly a no-brainer.

Also to touch on your point about the 31's "issues" - It's not really an issue, but funny because CRK have always touted their tolerances are rivaled by none, which had been true in the past, but now with the 31's due to the geometry of the blade and ceramic ball if you press down on the spine of the knife there will indeed be movement/flex. It isn't an issue, and the knife is still perfectly functioning, it just bugs some people, because for CRK of all companies to allow something like this after years and years of priding themselves on their tolerances by how they machine and hand assemble their products, is somewhat hypocritical some would say. -- I owned a large and small 31, and sold both. They both had this "issue" and I didn't care for it, seemed like more of a step back from the 21 as opposed to an upgrade. I also dislike the slanted clip the 31/inkosi has, and much prefer the straight clip that is found on the 21's. There really isn't a real reason to get a 31 over a 21, and honestly considering you can get a 21 for cheaper than a 31 I'd say your getting the better knife (21) for cheaper... easy choice!

I'm plenty happy with my collection of 21's and just added another small to my collection a week ago, because going forward they will become harder to find as they are no longer being made.

As far as whether its "worth it"... Lets all be honest with ourselves for 2 seconds... Its a knife... no knife should cost this much, period... people who are non-knife people would look at us like we are crazy, and honestly they aren't wrong lol your knife is going to cut the same as their kitchen knives, might not be as sharp for as long but you get what I mean, its a knife at the end of the day... but with that said, its our hobby and to us it is worth the experience we get, building our collection, or having the satisfaction of knowing I own one of the most precisely made and fine tuned knives in the world, and I can come to forums like this one and converse with all the other crazy people! - It's not just the knife that makes it worth it, but the community that you become part of.

Let us all know what you decide on! and if you do pull the trigger update us when ya get one with your initial impression / thoughts on it!
 
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Haha well it looks like the 21's will be quite the coveted blade here very soon! I have kept my eye on the for sale section and it seems all the 21s are getting snatched up. Im thinking I need to just wait it out and save up for one. Who knows, maybe by that point they will have upgraded to S45VN or something...….SO tempted by the Quiet Carry Waypoint but im a sucker for good customer service. I think the Waypoint is an awesome knife for if I lived in Florida or spent all my time around water. But when someone tells me they have had a knife for 17 years? That's a product I can count on. Clearly time tested and proven the best.
 
CRKs haven't been a game a changer technology wise for 20 years.

They temper their steels a little soft. The annodizing on the thumbstud rubs off immediately, the thumbstud itself sucks.

With this in mind it's a really clean, simple design, the clip next to the Spyderco wire clip is my favorite. And if that's what you want it's worth it. Buy a used one if you just need to scratch that itch to try out a CRK. I have a small Inkosi Insingo and really enjoy it.
 
Haha well it looks like the 21's will be quite the coveted blade here very soon! I have kept my eye on the for sale section and it seems all the 21s are getting snatched up. Im thinking I need to just wait it out and save up for one. Who knows, maybe by that point they will have upgraded to S45VN or something...….SO tempted by the Quiet Carry Waypoint but im a sucker for good customer service. I think the Waypoint is an awesome knife forar if I lived in Florida or spent all my time around water. But when someone tells me they have had a knife for 17 years? That's a product I can count on. Clearly time tested and proven the best.
Best way to think about it!

My small ATS-34 bladed model which I’ve had for close to 25 years now was carried and used regularly for the better part of that time never let me down - not bad for something like $.03 per day.
 
CRKs haven't been a game a changer technology wise for 20 years.

They temper their steels a little soft. The annodizing on the thumbstud rubs off immediately, the thumbstud itself sucks.

With this in mind it's a really clean, simple design, the clip next to the Spyderco wire clip is my favorite. And if that's what you want it's worth it. Buy a used one if you just need to scratch that itch to try out a CRK. I have a small Inkosi Insingo and really enjoy it.

CRK bump the hardness up to 59-60 since 2014...
 
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After much deliberation, I feel very compelled to get a Large Sebenza 21 Insingo. I love the hollow grind on my Buck 110 but I never ever carry it. So I am really hoping this will scratch that its. I have too many full flat and saber grinds!

Why the 21 insingo large? Reasons:

1. Why the 21? : Despite all the positive rebuttals to the "lock rock" issue, I really don't feel like I want to chance getting a lemon. Even if its not a legit problem, I want a solid lock up. I want to feel the Sebenza bank vault lock up.

2. What the Large?**** I have too many around 3" blades. I am tempted to get the small as it would EDC sooo well im sure. I also like smaller knives as they are less "scary" and I like choking up and using a pinch grip on the blades. But with medium-large hands I am feeling the large will fit better overall and I want the full Sebenza experience. (Also, I heard deployment on the small 21's can be tricky?)

3. Why the insingo?: Less scary, and the only real available NEW plain jane 21's left from online retailers.


As I write this I realize my decision is still not completely solid haha. Still wondering about large v small. Should I wait for the newer iteration? ahhhhh
 
After much deliberation, I feel very compelled to get a Large Sebenza 21 Insingo. I love the hollow grind on my Buck 110 but I never ever carry it. So I am really hoping this will scratch that its. I have too many full flat and saber grinds!

Why the 21 insingo large? Reasons:

1. Why the 21? : Despite all the positive rebuttals to the "lock rock" issue, I really don't feel like I want to chance getting a lemon. Even if its not a legit problem, I want a solid lock up. I want to feel the Sebenza bank vault lock up.

2. What the Large?**** I have too many around 3" blades. I am tempted to get the small as it would EDC sooo well im sure. I also like smaller knives as they are less "scary" and I like choking up and using a pinch grip on the blades. But with medium-large hands I am feeling the large will fit better overall and I want the full Sebenza experience. (Also, I heard deployment on the small 21's can be tricky?)

3. Why the insingo?: Less scary, and the only real available NEW plain jane 21's left from online retailers.


As I write this I realize my decision is still not completely solid haha. Still wondering about large v small. Should I wait for the newer iteration? ahhhhh
Great choice I think! I think you will love it!

I recently bought a 31, then a 21, sold the 31, and kept the 21... just a more solid feeling knife at this point.

Congrats!
 
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