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Also, while those bricks take high temps (up to 2700F or so I believe? They look like the standard Rutland brand replacement fire bricks you can buy at most big box stores), they really don’t insulate/hold heat very well. You actually want a little bit lower rated refractory brick, which are usually lighter and softer. Something like a k23 brick would be a little better. You can also coat the inside with something like ITC-100 which will increase your efficiency a bit.

For right now I’m going to add another MAP gas burner a couple inches from the existing.

I’m ordering a dual Mathewson propane set up for the new forge.

Maybe with two burners and a liner/coating (?) I could utilize the existing forge.....?
 
FYI: I just see a broken link icon for the above post, but "open image in New tab" brings up the photo on flicker.

I'm very much the novice so take this with a grain of salt, but I had better luck when someone suggested angling the torch so the flame swirled around.
My forge-like object is just a two brick forge, so interior is both smaller and cylindrical, and I moved the torch so it came in the near the top but at still horizontally... almost at a tangent (Think squirrel cage blower, but in reverse, if that helps). I also angled it a bit when looking from the top, so the flame travelled down the length by default. It looks like the torch is aimed right at the center of yours, and perhaps the torch is not enough for the volume inside? Others will know better, but it seems like a lot of space, so you're not getting less direct heat so much. Don't think I could fit most kitchen knives in my 2bf, though.

I'm interested in trying the pipe inside and a thermocouple, get a bit more control - or at least insight.

On a side note, something you'll see recommended here is using specific steels that are happy with simple, no soak heat treating, which 1095 isn't so much. 1084, 1080+, 15n20 are what I've seen suggested, and I've had nice, easy results making tool blades and a from couple knives from the first two.

Checking with file... try running a rather fine file over a sample of steel you know is annealed using little pressure, and compare it with steel you know is hard, perhaps below the teeth on a second file (I think the tangs themselves might be tempered on some files, though not sure). listen to the sound on addition to the feeling. A higher, slightly ringing like pitch ound on the hard steel.

How did the anti scale work? I tried a thin layer of refractory cement on my second knife but it was a bit of a pain and questionable benefits, at least how I did it.

I totally screwed up with the anti-scale.

Rushing..
Limited time...
Fully addicted...

It worked great during HT.
So I figured....it can take 1500deg., it will be fine if I remove it after tempering.
Yeah....no.

Had to take my three knives back down to 220 to remove it.

Not pleasant.

But it worked great for its intended purpose.
 
I totally screwed up with the anti-scale.

Rushing..
Limited time...
Fully addicted...

It worked great during HT.
So I figured....it can take 1500deg., it will be fine if I remove it after tempering.
Yeah....no.

Had to take my three knives back down to 220 to remove it.

Not pleasant.

But it worked great for its intended purpose.

Do you mean you had trouble cleaning the compound off of the blade?

If so and you're using their PBC compound (powder), just boil some water and put the blade in and after maybe a minute (give or take) scrape it off with a scrap piece of aluminum or brass or copper etc. Something hard enough for scraping, yet still quit a bit softer than the steel to avoid scratching into it. It might leave some scuff marks from metal rubbing off onto the blade, but they come right off with pretty much any grit. I just use a short scrap piece of aluminum with a bit of a chisel edge ground/filed on the front end, which also works well when I'm cleaning satinite off after clay hardening. If it doesn't all come off on the first pass, let it soak another minute or so in the water and scrape it again.

It may seem like a pain to have to do that to clean off the blade, but I personally think the benefits outweigh any inconvenience.

I have yet to try the ATP-641 liquid anti-scale since I still have a good amount of PBC, but I've heard it also works nicely so I may give that a shot when I run out, mainly because being able to apply it on the cold blade seems more convenient.

My very first forge was a paint can lined with kaowool and then covered with refractory cement (i.e satinite), which was also heated using a Bernzomatic torch with Mapp gas. Of course, a venturi definitely works better and more efficiently, but the small forge and torch still worked decently enough to allow me to do what I wanted to for the time being, which was to heat treat blades and forge bar-stock. Here's an old & quick video from 2010 showing it if you're interested, although I'm pretty sure it was still heating up there. (Turn down volume a bit if you happen to play it):



~Paul
My Youtube Channel
... (Just some older videos of some knives I've made in the past)
 
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