New Military and Para 3 machined stop pin - NOT riveted!

I never heard the stop pin was rivited. I always thought the change was just to a stepped stop pin. Is the old design a stepped pin and then screwed or just a screwed standoff acting as a stop pin? I like the stepped design, screwed in or not.
 
115Italian said:
I never heard the stop pin was rivited. I always thought the change was just to a stepped stop pin. Is the old design a stepped pin and then screwed or just a screwed standoff acting as a stop pin? I like the stepped design, screwed in or not.
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The old design is a stand off, but it is shouldered into the liners so the strength should be the same. The removal of the fasteners eliminates the "tight rope" 42pixels alluded to you have to walk between stop pin and pivot tension.
 
115Italian said:
I never heard the stop pin was rivited. I always thought the change was just to a stepped stop pin. Is the old design a stepped pin and then screwed or just a screwed standoff acting as a stop pin? I like the stepped design, screwed in or not.
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Yeah it was never claimed or stated anywhere that it was riveted.
But there were a lot of recent questions if it was riveted just based upon some people glancing at new photos.
 
SpeedHoles said:
^ This thread is about clarification of what a stepped Stop-pin is, and related CQI, and how it differs from a rivet or press fit pin... not about reading into warranty interpretations.
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Agreed, should have never been brought up.
I think the new stop pin is an improvement.
 
SpeedHoles said:
^ This thread is about clarification of what a stepped Stop-pin is, and related CQI, and how it differs from a rivet or press fit pin... not about reading into warranty interpretations.
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Actually the thread started with how the stop pin is not riveted... but since we aren't mods what's the difference?
 
Out of curiosity, who has had an issue with the old stop pin?

Mine is around 6-7 years old and still going strong with no issues. Also know of much older ones still going strong.


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jpm2 said:
Are you saying my warranty will be voided if I disassemble without causing damage?
That's not what the warranty says.
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im saying if spyderco thinks you caused damage by their definiton not yours.........then yep.
 
marthinus said:
Out of curiosity, who has had an issue with the old stop pin?

Mine is around 6-7 years old and still going strong with no issues. Also know of much older ones still going strong.


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It's not that the old style has durability issues, but that this new style should allow for dramatically easier assembly and maintenance.
 
blade man said:
It's not that the old style has durability issues, but that this new style should allow for dramatically easier assembly and maintenance.
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now that makes sense. assembly faster and easier. better productivity without compromising quality. what every business strives for and that also answers my first question for glenn056...thank you Sir.
 
5-by-5 said:
I have a PM2 and Yojimbo 2 that need stop pin and pivot fine tuning. To prevent side to side blade play. Is it just coincidence that they're both compression locks?!
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Mine too and I have found each time they needed adjustment the stop pin HAD to be played with along with the pivot.
Joe
 
jpm2 said:
Are you saying my warranty will be voided if I disassemble without causing damage?
That's not what the warranty says.
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Went through this a couple of times.......if the warranty dept thinks the knife was taken apart you will get a form letter in the mail explaining to you that you will be charged the $20 fee and $5 for shipping it back.
Sorry for being off topic, but hope this puts it to rest.
Joe
 
palonej said:
Went through this a couple of times.......if the warranty dept thinks the knife was taken apart you will get a form letter in the mail explaining to you that you will be charged the $20 fee and $5 for shipping it back.
Sorry for being off topic, but hope this puts it to rest.
Joe
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What is the $20 fee for, is it charged just because they think it was previously taken apart? If so, what's the purpose of that?
 
jpm2 said:
What is the $20 fee for, is it charged just because they think it was previously taken apart? If so, what's the purpose of that?
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they dont want us taking apart the knives. not saying its right, just it is what it is. likley legal reasons and experiences with many causing damage on their own and expecting free warranty on not warranty issues....... but i am just speculating only spyderco can tell you why.

i didnt really mean my question of ease of maintenacme suggested by glenn056 to turn into this discussion...i just wasnt sure why spyderco would change this part for ease of maintenance when they frown on us taking the knives apart. i hope that clarifies what my question was meant for...trying to understand this suggestion better. thanks y'all, and i apologize for this going off topic..wasnt my intent.
 
jpm2 said:
What is the $20 fee for, is it charged just because they think it was previously taken apart? If so, what's the purpose of that?
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If you send a knife in for warranty work, and Spydie deems the problem you sent it in for is not covered, they will charge you $20 for the repair.
Joe
 
If they find you've taken it apart, they will send a letter to you explaining you took it apart. If you'd like them to fix it it's $20 + $5 for shipping.
 
Pretty sure they were getting tired of receiving a bag of parts from people taking knives apart and can't get them put back together.
Joe
 
If you don't mind, I'd like to hear the exact warranty issue (defect in material and workmanship) that could not have been caused by disassembly, but was turned down because the knife was previously disassembled.

According to their statement

For the following repairs please include $20.00USD plus $5.00USD for shipping and handling

Blade or edge- Broken tip from prying or dropping, chipped edge or broken serrations, destroyed edge due to improper sharpening, rust due to neglect or other blade issues. Spyderco does not replace blades. Depending on the blade’s condition we may be able to re-profile or re-serrate.

Clips and clip screws- sheared off screws or broken FRN integral clips (can only be replaced with metal clips).

Handle- Missing Kraton inserts or other handle issues.
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I don't think they charge just because the knife had been disassembled, they charge because the damage could have, and probably was, caused by the user in the process.
 
Whoops indeed.
Just for anyone reading this thread and still confused about Spyderco warranty, here's the official clarification.

Specifically...
Michael Janich said:
To All:
Concurrent with our change to medium-strength Loctite, we are also amending our warranty policy, which has unfortunately been misunderstood as it applies to this topic and the disassembly of our knives in general. Currently, our policy states “Spyderco’s warranty does not cover damage caused by abuse, misuse, loss, improper handling, alterations, accident, neglect, disassembly, or improper sharpening.” Please note that it specifies “…damage caused by…disassembly.” This aspect of our warranty has been widely misinterpreted to infer that disassembly of a Spyderco knife automatically voids its warranty. This is not the case.
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Hopefully, this puts the myth to bed.
 
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