new popes past

gajinoz said:
Regardless of his past, or what he may or may not have been, isn't one of the central pillars of christianity supposed to be that you can be forgiven past sins? (I'm not a christian so I'm no expert in this area).

Seems to me the main concern should be his age. The guy is 78! Seems most of the popes drop off in their 80s, shouldn't they try and select a candidate who at least has a decade or two of active service life left?
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I guess they feel that the leader of the Catholic Church should have some experience and those who are in their 70's definitely have that going for them. What I would like to know is how the newly elected Popes choose their names?
 
K.V. Collucci said:
What I would like to know is how the newly elected Popes choose their names?
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I'll bet there's a website for that somewhere, "Find your popal name."
 
I'm a Jew, and a Veteran, FWIW.

The new Pope is a righteous man of God, and was obviously judged as such, by his peers.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
Kohai999 said:
I'm a Jew, and a Veteran, FWIW.

The new Pope is a righteous man of God,
Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
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This matter is resolved. Mr. Garsson has shown himself to be a wise man. As Solomon told his sons, "Rubuke a fool and he will hate you. But correct a wise man and he is wiser still."
 
gajinoz said:
Maybe he was just anticipating the move to W&C ..... ;) :)
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Word to the wise: Unless and until the thread is moved, a member can suffer grave consequences for inappropriate posting.
 
I edited my post, would you mind doing the same with the quote box thingy?

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
fixer27 said:
Maybe the media is just trying to stir controversy and sell more
newspapers.
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I agree.

I'm Jooooish too and the new Pope's past doesn't bother me, I'm interested in what he says now. I think the media is trying to make a big deal out of his past inorder not only to sell papers(as fixer said) but also to stir hate. And take a guess who's going to end up crushed in the middle.

Pope Benedict 16 was one of the most infuential and powerful backers of John Paul 2's "policy" of reconciling with the world Jewish community.

And to top it off, he really pisses off Liberals. You just gotta love that.

From the Drudge report:
New pope intervened against Kerry in US 2004 election campaign
http://beta.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050419/pl_afp/vaticanpopeus
:D
 
IMHO there were better choices avaliable. Compulsory or not, facts are facts. Other most likely "winners" seemed less radical and all, more inthe spirit of JP2.

I don't think yet another religious extremist (of any belief) is what the world needed right now, and a person who believes that all other religions, including all other christian branches, should submit to catholic christianity or something along these lines not a good choice. Media call him "transitional" pope, perhaps because they (the catholic church) are counting on him to bite the dust soon - but what kind of transition is that ? From 3rd millenium back into dark ages into days of crusades and inquisition ? Rabid extremists are bad, be it bearded or with cone-shaped hat :(

That Italian guy (from Milano ?) and that latin American guy (Honduras ?) seemed to be far better choices for the church and the world ... but that's just me.
 
I don't think he's a transitional pope, 78 is young. Germans live long lives.

Never doubt the magical anti-ageing properties of Wienerschnitzel.
 
faramir said:
I don't think yet another religious extremist (of any belief) is what the world needed right now, and a person who believes that all other religions, including all other christian branches, should submit to catholic christianity or something along these lines not a good choice.
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Not a good choice?

Why should the leader of the Roman Catholic Church be an advocate for anything other than Catholic belief and tradition?

Of course, since you've based your disapproval on a misinterpretation of his belief and tradition, I can't think of anything more appropriate than to remind us all that anything anyone says can be misquoted and used against him. :(
 
There are few things more offensive (to a Jew at least) than groundless accusations of Naziism. This man has done nothing to warrant such accusations. His past has been dredged up before, and no doubt will be again, by the "press" looking for a scandal--so far, at least, without result.

His leadership of the Church is a matter for Catholics. Since he comes from a rather prominent position in the Church heirarchy, his views are known, and I doubt that the powers that be within the Church will be surprised by anything he does. Not being a Catholic, it ain't my problem.

Regarding names, I was kind of hoping that he would pick something original(how often does one get to do this, after all). Something like, say Elvis I.
Wonder why he didn't do that? I'll have to ask him when I get an audience.
:)
 
shaldag said:
Regarding names, I was kind of hoping that he would pick something original(how often does one get to do this, after all). Something like, say Elvis I.
Wonder why he didn't do that? I'll have to ask him when I get an audience.
:)
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Yeah I know, he should have picked a more traditional German name; something like Rumpelstiltskin II -"You make 'em I take 'em".
 
Kabar..
Is it fair to judge a 70 year old man today on behavior when he was 16 back in 1943? During a time of life when he had no control over world events and could not impact the war in any way shape or form aside from his own personal distaste for it?
Yes he wore the uniform of the german army, and yes by law he was forced to become a hitler youth. His moral concience did not allow to activley participate in any Nazi activities. He did what he needed to do in order to survive and avoid a bullet in his head for being a traitor. He was a conscript plain and simple.
Now because of his actions when he was 16 he has the opportunity to change world events. Now he has the power to meet with world leaders and change this world for good. His experience as a conscript in the German Army that was run by a fanatic will certianly serve him and the catholic church well in his tenure.


Ren
 
I was raised Catholic and no longer practice, because I don't agree with a lot of the core beliefs. However, I respected PJP2 and I think the new Pope will do a fine job. As my mother said, it is not the job of religion to change with the times. There are plenty of other denominations and sects to choose from, if your beliefs don't align with Catholicism. If you want to be a Catholic in name only, like Kerry, go right ahead.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
Why should the leader of the Roman Catholic Church be an advocate for anything other than Catholic belief and tradition?

Of course, since you've based your disapproval on a misinterpretation of his belief and tradition, I can't think of anything more appropriate than to remind us all that anything anyone says can be misquoted and used against him. :(
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I based my opinion (disapproval ? hmm :) ) on the pope that was in charge for the better part of my life; granted his role (just as that of the new choice) as to act with catholic faction's interests in mind, but as JP2 has shown that doesn't necessarily mean rabid anti-everything-else beliefs. Instead JP2 was working towards better understanding among different ranches of christianity (like orthodox christian church), and between christian church and other religions such as jewish and muslim and so on.

As i said in my previous post, i don't think a rabid radical at the head of one of the biggest religions is what the world needs in year 2000+, it needs somebody who can move on like JP2 did. With that in mind one has to understand that catholic church - unlike us mere individuals - has considerably longer lifespan so perhaps this "moving on" part was intention of these elections afterall, just on a slower scale; a transitional pope (term coined by the analists) was picked for his radical beliefs because cardinals believe he's going to die relatively soon, given his current age of 78.

ANyway, since the analists say the cardinals deliberately picked older extremist so that he would be replaced by somebody more moderate relatively soon and that moderate would appeal to everybody with his more "mainstream" positions. One thing i'd be willing to bet on is that next pope, whoever it is, will be considerably younger than B16., barring extraordinary circumstances involving premature death of B16. This reasoning seems plausible to me.

The fact that B16. was a member of Hitlerjugend indeed doesn't score him any bonus points in my book, but i only became aware of that fact AFTER he was elected. All the while before i didn't even pay any attention to him as he was only listed as one of (5 or so) likely candidates, two of which seemed particularly in line with JP2's orientation so they were my favourites to win. Oh and when they mentioned his flip-flopping (he's a "reborn" conservative extremist and used to be a liberal prior to 1960s student movement) was another downside.
 
John Paul the second ran the Catholic church as the leaders before him did, this Pope will do the same. They are not pushing their own agendas, they are adhering to the teachings of the Catholic church. I was raised Catholic, and I have drifted away from the church, I have disagreements with the church, but I respected this past Pope, he stuck to his guns through thick and thin. It appears that this new Pope will do the same. The Catholic church doesn't have to change with the times!

Onto the fact that Bendict the sixteenth was part of the Hitler Youth movement and was a Nazi soldier. He was born in Germany, and came of age during a volatile time, when Germany, and a large portion of Europe, was ruled by a madman iwth an iron fist. I realize that I am preaching to the choir in this thread, but this man states that he did not believe in what Hitler was doing, and he deserted both the Hitler Youth movement and the Nazi army. That takes some real stones and I salute him. John Paul the second weathered some real bad times in Poland, Benedict the sixteenth did too. Both faced death, and they realized that blindly sacrificing themselves might not be the best move, and they survived! I'm going off on a rant, excuse me.
 
I think some of us could read through the same dictionary and disagree on each and every definition.

Jubal and Tubal Cain

Jubal sang of the Wrath of God
...And the curse of thistle and thorn --
But Tubal got him a pointed rod,
...And scrabbled the earth for corn.
...Old -- old as that early mould,
... ...Young as the sprouting grain --
...Yearly green is the strife between
... ...Jubal and Tubal Cain!

Jubal sang of the new-found sea,
...And the love that its waves divide --
But Tubal hollowed a fallen tree
...And passed to the further side.
...Black -- black as the hurricane-wrack,
... ...Salt as the under-main --
...Bitter and cold is the hate they hold --
... ...Jubal and Tubal Cain!

Jubal sang of the golden years
...When wars and wounds shall cease --
But Tubal fashioned the hand-flung spears
...And showed his neighbours peace.
...New -- new as Nine-point-Two,
... ...Older than Lamech's slain --
...Roaring and loud is the feud avowed
... ...Twix' Jubal and Tubal Cain!

Jubal sang of the cliffs that bar
...And the peaks that none may crown --
But Tubal clambered by jut and scar
...And there he builded a town.
...High-high as the snowsheds lie,
... ...Low as the culverts drain --
...Wherever they be they can never agree --
... ...Jubal and Tubal Cain!

-- Rudyard Kipling
 
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