New really picky Spyderco fan: Should I get a second PM2?

BJ987

BJ987

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Let me just get this out of the way. I looked the other way of Spyderco for decades because I hated (now more of a gentle dislike) the traditional leaf blade shape and big hole in all their knives. Before you come after me, I now own two Spyderco knives (both purchased in past month) and I love them both.

For most of my folders, I look for tactical (not tacticool), medium-hard use toughness, decent blade length (3.5" min), and value. I'm a budget-buyer and I still can't believe I spent what I spent on those two knives (I try not to think about it).

So after much browsing and research my first pick was a black Manix 2 XL. Love it. One of my favorite handles of any knife I've ever handled.

Sorry for the tangent--So I realized the hype behind Spydercos was real. Everything but the value element IMO. Still not too happy spending $185 on almost 4 inches of S30V when I can get a full 4 inches of S35VN for $100 (CS Recon 1). Anyway, the Spydie hole, I get it. The Spydie-flick? Addicted. Fit and finish is what I'd expect.

I immediately wanted another Spyderco and wanted to try the infamous compression lock. PM2 right? Well, I don't like the design. The blade/handle ratio bothers me too much and I just thought they were ugly (again, please don't come after me). So, I got what you probably thought I would get: the Bladeops exclusive saber-grind waved PM2 in DLC black.

A couple weeks later and I find myself carrying, using, and playing with this knife more than any other one in my collection (really giving my CS American Lawman a run for its money in the 3.5-ish EDC/tactical category).

I got one problem/annoyance. I'm also kind of a germaphobe (especially in these times) and habitually wipe down my blades with isopropyl alcohol. I'm talking a wipe down after almost every use, so for me, about twice a day. For whatever reason, the alcohol "dries" out Spyderco's DLC (learned this from a thread on Spyderco site forum), and I now have to follow up each alcohol wipe down with a mineral oil wipe down, to keep that finish looking nice. So, annoying.

Had a bright idea the other day... why don't I just get another waved PM2 but in the satin finish? Then I wouldn't have to worry about the mineral oil treatment and I would have one to use around the house and one to carry/store/look at/whatever.

I came so so close to pulling the trigger the other day on it but the cheapskate in me kicked in... I don't own two of any model knife... And after my impulse calmed down, I realized I actually am quite hesitant on spending 170 bucks on the same knife (it's just a different finish).

So, I came here, to ask the experts. Love the compression lock, really like the wave feature, prefer 3.5" min blade length (I sat on the checkout screen for the PM2 for a few hours before giving in), FFG vs saber I'm...indifferent?

I'm not a collector. At least not by the standards of most here I assume. Specifically, I don't chase exotic steels or G10 colors. Sorry for the novel, would love any input. Finally, here's a pic just cause, pics ;).
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Hi BJ,

Thanx for giving us a try and for the post.

Many say that I design in the dark, meaning "looks" don't carry the weight in my designs as does function. My son, Eric designed the Manix and the Para 2 & 3. He has a better eye, but he still values function over "looks". Handle to blade ratio is, in my opinion useless value. A scalpel would not perform better if the handle were shorter or the blade was longer. We're a performance based company and it shows in our in-house designs. We also have outside designers that are better at creating knives that are more appealing to the eye.

Steels, edges, ergonomics, safety, longevity are more important. It' all about "the cut" and your control of the edge.

sal
 
Sal Glesser said:
Hi BJ,

Thanx for giving us a try and for the post.

Many say that I design in the dark, meaning "looks" don't carry the weight in my designs as does function. My son, Eric designed the Manix and the Para 2 & 3. He has a better eye, but he still values function over "looks". Handle to blade ratio is, in my opinion useless value. A scalpel would not perform better if the handle were shorter or the blade was longer. We're a performance based company and it shows in our in-house designs. We also have outside designers that are better at creating knives that are more appealing to the eye.

Steels, edges, ergonomics, safety, longevity are more important. It' all about "the cut" and your control of the edge.

sal
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Mr. Glesser,

First let me say, I certainly didn't expect a reply from you. I just want to clarify some of my stated opinions. I am well aware and fully understand that Spyderco is a performance-based company and has created hundreds (thousands?) of products that have proven that quality. I very much respect your company and do not question the credibility of any Spyderco product's functionality and design.

I merely have a humble opinion on the looks of some models. I'm sure you (and hundreds of thousands of people) know that I am in the minority. I have no doubt that the classic PM2 or PM3 perform wonderfully. I'm well-aware that they are classics, and for good reason.

All that being said, the looks are already starting to grow on me;). I just hope more models like the Manix 2 XL (a waved version?:p) and perhaps a PM2-style with a longer blade (PM2 XL!!!) are considerations for the future. Just a consumer wanting a longer blade with Spyderco's quality, ergos, and security. Thanks for the listen, sir.
 
BJ987 said:
Had a bright idea the other day... why don't I just get another waved PM2 but in the satin finish? Then I wouldn't have to worry about the mineral oil treatment and I would have one to use around the house and one to carry/store/look at/whatever.

I came so so close to pulling the trigger the other day on it but the cheapskate in me kicked in... I don't own two of any model knife... And after my impulse calmed down, I realized I actually am quite hesitant on spending 170 bucks on the same knife (it's just a different finish).

So, I came here, to ask the experts. Love the compression lock, really like the wave feature, prefer 3.5" min blade length (I sat on the checkout screen for the PM2 for a few hours before giving in), FFG vs saber I'm...indifferent?

I'm not a collector. At least not by the standards of most here I assume. Specifically, I don't chase exotic steels or G10 colors. Sorry for the novel, would love any input. Finally, here's a pic just cause, pics ;).
Ej2a97r.jpg
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Considering your paradigm on the value proposition, a logical alternative to consider would be the Spyderco Endura 4 with the Emerson Opener for $98, which is currently available at various dealers.

Its 8.8" overall with a 3.8" blade that has 3.44" of cutting edge.

Spyderco's execution on the mid back lock creates a knife that's an easy and safe one handed open and closer, while still being very satisfying to flick and fidget. Their Seki facility does a really good job.

The FRN handles feel good, the knife is solid, and supposedly nylon is isopropyl alcohol safe. Depending on what you use, a dim white haze may be possible... But if it does, so what? It may be the ideal beater, and everyone needs a good and highly functional user knife that doesn't have to be pretty... Frankly many people prefer the look of a well worn knife, it proves that you actually use it!

For me, the acquisition of duplicative Spyderco models didn't start until I got bit by the super steel bug. Chasing different steels and in some cases, the sprint runs of those steels, took me on a tour of the bulk of their popular USA and Japan models
 
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used shaman or used pm2 would bring the cost down maybe while still getting a great knife
 
SubMicron said:
Considering your paradigm on the value proposition, a logical alternative to consider would be the Spyderco Endura 4 with the Emerson Opener for $98, which is currently available at various dealers.

Its 8.8" overall with a 3.8" blade that has 3.44" of cutting edge.

Spyderco's execution on the mid back lock creates a knife that's an easy and safe one handed open and closer, while still being very satisfying to flick and fidget. Their Seki facility does a really good job.

The FRN handles feel good, the knife is solid, and supposedly nylon is isopropyl alcohol safe. Depending on what you use, a dim white haze may be possible... But if it does, so what? It may be the ideal beater, and everyone needs a good and highly functional user knife that doesn't have to be pretty... Frankly many people prefer the look of a well worn knife, it proves that you actually use it!

For me, the acquisition of duplicative Spyderco models didn't start until I got bit by the super steel bug. Chasing different steels and in some cases, the sprint runs of those steels, took me on a tour of the bulk of their popular USA and Japan models
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Thanks for the suggestion. I have looked at that knife before and TBH, after seeing the FRN handles it was a no for me. I'm 80% positive I owned a Spyderco with FRN handles many years ago. Long story short: I had a collection decades ago that I lost and didn't buy (or even look) at knives for 15-20 years.

I like everything about the waved Endura 4 except for the handle. FRN, as I stated, and if I'm gonna get another Spyderco, it's gonna be a compression lock or CBBL model. Nothing against lockbacks, just that I have enough Cold Steel Tri-AD lock knives and that's more than enough lockbacks that I need/want. Now, if the Endura 4 had G10 scales and a compression lock or CBBL... then it would basically be a larger PM2 which I already said I want ::facepalm::.:rolleyes:

I'm actually kind of interested in that new tanto PM2... I know it's sold out. The hollow ground straight edge is interesting to me... and also the fact that they spec the blade at a full 3.5" (but who knows, maybe they're rounding up?).

I think there are some slightly fudgy numbers online. Last time I looked the PM2 tanto had 3.5" blade and said "same PM2 handle" but overall length of 8.25". What's both interesting and confusing is that the waved PM2 says 3.45" blade, same PM2 handle, but overall length of 8.27"... No math genius here but if the handles of both are the same as stated, those specs don't add up o_O.
 
You might also consider the yojumbo or canis. They’re both tactical-styled wharncliffes with the compression lock. Not sure on price though. There’s aftermarket options to add a hook to the holes of many spydies to act as an Emerson opener, if that’s a requirement.
 
Srtr said:
spydiechef
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Thats a really good suggestion. Its a knife thats been on my list for a while. The titanium would be impervious to isopropyl alcohol and LC200N certainly isn't going to patina.

The ultimate would be the sold out Copper PM2. Copper kills microbs somehow and also is impervious to isopropyl alcohol. The knife is still available on the secondary market. I'd assume that in the future we'll see something similar, maybe with Brass or Titanium, however thats a guess and possibly wishful thinking.
 
Welcome to the club!

As the owner of over 130+ Spydercos of all types, I'm definitely in the collector class but there's room for everyone in this hobby.

Seems like you are partial to black DLC blades which somewhat limits your range of selections but if you want/need another PM2, IMO you should just buy another one.

If it gives you enjoyment, just spend the $ now (and worry about it later). You can't take it with you when the party's over.

You'll understand that better when you get to my age, which is currently 70. ;)
 
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I'd say scrap the wave and get a PM2 in a different steel - it won't be the same knife.
OR
Since you like the manix 2XL, what about a Military? It's a liner lock; but that's not such a bad thing
 
A knife is a tool.. and it's never a bad decision to have more than one good tool around.
Sometimes you have to choose the tool first, then look at the price. If within reason, get the best tool for the job or the one that speaks to you and you will never go wrong.
 
Sal Glesser said:
Hi BJ,

A thought to share. I prefer larger knives, though they are sometimes illegal in some jurisdictions. I designed the Police 4 for me. The blade is a little over 4" but it carries like a much smaller knife.

sal
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not gonna suggest your shaman masterpiece?

compression lock, good blade size, great handle shape, can be found in non s30v...only downside is brand new its outside of the OPs budget.

OP..I suggest a shaman...or spydiechef if you dont absolutely have to have a cbbl or compression lock knife.
 
Srtr said:
not gonna suggest your shaman masterpiece?

compression lock, good blade size, great handle shape, can be found in non s30v...only downside is brand new its outside of the OPs budget.

OP..I suggest a shaman...or spydiechef if you dont absolutely have to have a cbbl or compression lock knife.
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I'd go with a Shaman too. I took a chance and ordered one knowing I could sell or return it if I didn't like it. Well, it has become my favorite Spyderco (tied with my Amalgam), and right up there for favorite knife period. I find myself choosing to carry it all the time, and sometimes have to make myself choose a different knife just so I can give pocket time to something else!

I originally thought that, with the price having crept up, it wouldn't be worth $200, and I should have gotten one when they first came out around $150. Well, I honestly don't feel I overpaid. It was worth every penny, and while I would like them to be cheaper I'll still buy another if I have to. Would love to grab a dlc M4/Jade one, and if I can find one for a reasonable price I will, but maybe if someone comes out with an M390 or 20cv exclusive I could be persuaded...
 
Hi Srtr, Soc_monki,

I personally like the Shaman, but I'm biased. My recommendation was based on BJ's mention of liking larger blades. I like the longer blade of the P4 because it's just more functional, cutting an apple, etc. When I designed the Shaman, I put the artificial limitation of blade length and legality, which is 3.5" in most of the country, at this time.

sal
 
Sal Glesser said:
Hi Srtr, Soc_monki,

I personally like the Shaman, but I'm biased. My recommendation was based on BJ's mention of liking larger blades. I like the longer blade of the P4 because it's just more functional, cutting an apple, etc. When I designed the Shaman, I put the artificial limitation of blade length and legality, which is 3.5" in most of the country, at this time.

sal
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did you ever think about making the shaman without the 3.5" limitation? just curious if there was ever any 4" shaman prototypes floating around.
 
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