New S & M came today

Bors

Bors

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I decided to take a break from the tactical stuff and pick up a Schatt and Morgan English jack slipjoint from Cumberland knife works. I must say cumberland was nice to deal and had a very good price. The english jack is quite a knife the fit and finish is first rate. If you plan on picking one up you better have strong finger nails no wimpy back springs here :D. The blade steel is ATS-34 and out of the box it's not that sharp but that can be corrected. Schatt and Morgan turn out a nice knife. :thumbup:
 
Don't tease us now, Bors! How about posting a picture??
 
OK here you go


Nice box

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4.5" inches closed

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Feels nice in the hand

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Two blades
Clip and spear

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It's so pretty I'm not sure I want to EDC it

decisions decisions :confused:
 
It's ok to EDC it... ya already got a big ol' honkin' fingerprint on the blade!;) Nice buy, I'd use it with pride.
 
It sure is good looking knife! Too good looking not to pack now and then. I used to agonize over such things, but I"ve gotten more enjoyment out of carrying them than letting them sit in a box. The engraved, Case, KY Bluegrass trapper I posted the pic of in the show your trapper thread has been carried and used several times since getting it. I've already managed to tarnish one of the bolsters a little bit through carry and use. Oh well, I'm still enjoying it more by carrying it. I will admit that I haven't been able to talk myself into carrying the Anniversary Trapper yet, though I love the look of it. Maybe someday. I feel your pain.

Whatever you choose to do, I hope you get plenty of enjoyment from that fine knife.
 
It's ok to EDC it... ya already got a big ol' honkin' fingerprint on the blade! Nice buy, I'd use it with pride.
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Thats the problem with big thumbs their like greese they mess up everything LOL
 
Bors,

Nice knife thank you for sharing...I also picked up one last week and love it, I was surprised by the size of the English Jack they are big knives. Your bone on your knife seems to be a better looking piece than what I have.

I do have to say though as I collect the the File & Wire series Schatt & Morgans this particular knife came with as dull a blade as possible. I could dance the conga on the blade its so dull, I even heard one of our butter knives teasing it as I headed toward my knife drawer...;)
 
I have one of these too.
Then I had the same "problem" as you - too pretty to carry.
Let's face it - it's a beaut! With those 2 big blades, the pinched bolsters, the half stops, the great fit & finish

So - still haven't carried it; it's one I fondle while watching sports on the tube
 
sunburst said:
Bors,

Nice knife thank you for sharing...I also picked up one last week and love it, I was surprised by the size of the English Jack they are big knives. Your bone on your knife seems to be a better looking piece than what I have.

I do have to say though as I collect the the File & Wire series Schatt & Morgans this particular knife came with as dull a blade as possible. I could dance the conga on the blade its so dull, I even heard one of our butter knives teasing it as I headed toward my knife drawer...;)
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Yes I agree it's a big knife but I think it's nicly proportioned. The sharpness or rather lack of was a bit disappointing but easy enough to correct. Overall it's a very nice knife I'm not disappointed at all.
 
I have several S&M's and none of them were sharp out of the box.

Have a sneaking suspicion that they really don't expect people to use them...
 
They are nice knives, in my opinion some of the best factory made knives available...Here are two I have picked up in the last week. The first is the File & Wire Tested English Jack that came out in 2000 the third knife of the series..And the other knife is one that came in the mail today a Texas Special Sambar Stag Trapper with Signature Bolsters...

English Jack

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S&M Trapper
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Sunburst, you really outta send that Stag Texas Special Trapper here to me in Texas. I promise I'll think of it as special! :D

That English Jack is quite nice, but that stag Trapper is to drool over.
 
rifon2 said:
I have several S&M's and none of them were sharp out of the box.

Have a sneaking suspicion that they really don't expect people to use them...
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I think your correct they are made more with the collector in mind.

Well I touched up th edge and it gets rotated in tomorrow. The blade is pretty hard takes a bit to sharpen it.


Nice knives Sunburst
Thanks for the pics.
 
Thanks for the compliments :) I have a pretty bad case of "Knife Drool" these days for all things Schatt & Morgan". I decided a short time ago to go for quality because I had a lot of "Hoge Podge" knives in my little collection. I have been selling off lots of multibladed trappers and some vintage Robesons and using the money to work on my fledgling Schatt & Morgan collection. I love the quality in these knives and enjoy the surpises I keep finding such as the above Trapper.

The only drawback is Schatt & Morgans cost a little more than most knives I have been purchasing. So my overall number of knives will be down and once I run out of the money obtained from selling of my misc trappers and such I will only be able to afford a very limited supply...

But like I told my wife sometimes "Less Is More"...;) Thanks again Bors for sharing your great looking knife...
 
Love those big jacks! Nice choices, both the knives and the brand. Schatt&Morgan is the best deal by far in exotic steels, ATS-34, and D2! You get a great knife at decent price.
It took some doing to get my D2 sodbuster sharp, but now it just won't quit!
 
I bought an S&M series 3 File and Wire English Jack a couple of months ago after reading so many good things about it on the forums. It really is a super-nice knife. :thumbup: The fit and finish are superb. The backsprings are strong, but the blades move smoothly and there’s no play when they’re open.

Unfortunately, mine also had the patented Queen nightmare edges. :( Reprofiling the ATS-34 blades took a long time, but it wasn’t quite as bad as the D2 on my Queen Copperhead. I finished the spear point blade with a thin, fine edge for push-cutting, while the clip point blade has a slightly thicker, rougher edge.

I usually carry mine in an open-top nylon sheath that comes with an AA mini Maglite. It’s kind of cheesy to carry a nice knife in such a cheap sheath, but it works great; the knife fits perfectly and the sheath is so thin that you never notice it. I also carry my large sodbuster that way. :cool:
 
cerulean said:
I bought an S&M series 3 File and Wire English Jack a couple of months ago after reading so many good things about it on the forums. It really is a super-nice knife. :thumbup: The fit and finish are superb. The backsprings are strong, but the blades move smoothly and there’s no play when they’re open.

Unfortunately, mine also had the patented Queen nightmare edges. :( Reprofiling the ATS-34 blades took a long time, but it wasn’t quite as bad as the D2 on my Queen Copperhead. I finished the spear point blade with a thin, fine edge for push-cutting, while the clip point blade has a slightly thicker, rougher edge.

I usually carry mine in an open-top nylon sheath that comes with an AA mini Maglite. It’s kind of cheesy to carry a nice knife in such a cheap sheath, but it works great; the knife fits perfectly and the sheath is so thin that you never notice it. I also carry my large sodbuster that way. :cool:
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The Maglite pouch what a great idea I happen to have a new one. it fits the knife like it was made for it. :thumbup:
 
I love my english jack, especially in the kitchen. It too came with a blade that would cut paper but not shave hair. Other than that, it was perfect. Really wish queen would start putting a consistently sharp, thin edge on their knives. My S&M knives is what made me break down and get a course diamond hone for reprofiling.

I think the english jack really shows what american production can do. THe knife runs about $80, has not one but two ATS34 blades, is hand assembled and has great fit and finish. Makes one wonder why spyderco needs all that japanese production for their single bladed knives that cost considerably more. The english jack is top of the line for S&M, lets compare that to spydercos top of the line american made product, the titaninum ATR. The ATR is 3-4 times more expensive, production had to be stopped due design flaws, and the knife has only one blade. Sure there are different materials, but both knives occupy the top of the heap and the S&M product blows the doors of the ATR in terms of price and quality. For another comparison, why can't benchmade put out more knives for $80 that are made in america?
 
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