I have to post this because it has been bugging the **** out of me. I may be out of line but I think this is the correct forum and I'm not going to mention a name because I can't prove what is to follow. About half a year ago, I traded with a "respected" BF member for a small Sebenza. I traded a knife plus cash which totaled a value more that the Sebenza. It was my first Sebenza so I had nothing to compare it with. I just recently got a large Classic and began to realize the differences. 1. The anodizing was already worn off the thumbstud of the small. 2. The lock already appeared to travelled across the blade tang to its final resting place. 3. The blade was not sharp at all and definitely not close to what my large Classic is. 4. The clip side scale had a small scuff. I think this member definitely took advantage of me because I really wanted a Sebby and he knew it. He represented the Sebby as NIB when it was just a used one in good shape. Its possible that this was a fluke, but I don't think so. I just hope that the member reads this ( you know who you are) and developes a sudden pang of guilt.
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New Sebenza in trade?
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I'm not sure about anyone else but your post is a little confusing...
1. It took you 6 months to notice anodizing was worn off your thumbstud? Hadn't you seen pictures of the blade before you bought it?
2. Read up on some of the posts in the CRK Forum. I believe I have heard this does happen and does not effect the reliability of the lock-up.
3. After deciding to purchase this blade you did this without knowing or hearing of the blades notoriously 'sharp' blades? Why did you not question this immediately?
4. ** A scuff? You noticed a scuff and it took you 6 months to question the fact whether this was a NIB knife? No matter how little you knew about the Sebenza THAT should have raised questions and you should have addressed them immediately!
First off, you can send the knife back for a fee and they will refurbish and resharpen and generally freshen up your blade to what many have described as ".. nearly impossible to tell from brand new".
Secondly, if this was a standup Member and you didn't contact them immediately when you noticed these things, which should have been within a day, then you are certainly bearing at least some responsibility here. Why did you not contact them earlier with questions or at the very least why did you not contact them now via email with your questions after your comparison?
I would suggest emailing the guy and avoiding non-specific 'guilt trips' if you wish to come sort of resolution to the problem. But don't expect too much sympathy after 6 months cause that is extraordinarily questionable.
Just my opinion but you'll get better results with a different approach. I do understand the need to blow off steam though so I hope this post at least served that purpose.
Bes of luck,
Shawn
1. It took you 6 months to notice anodizing was worn off your thumbstud? Hadn't you seen pictures of the blade before you bought it?
2. Read up on some of the posts in the CRK Forum. I believe I have heard this does happen and does not effect the reliability of the lock-up.
3. After deciding to purchase this blade you did this without knowing or hearing of the blades notoriously 'sharp' blades? Why did you not question this immediately?
4. ** A scuff? You noticed a scuff and it took you 6 months to question the fact whether this was a NIB knife? No matter how little you knew about the Sebenza THAT should have raised questions and you should have addressed them immediately!
First off, you can send the knife back for a fee and they will refurbish and resharpen and generally freshen up your blade to what many have described as ".. nearly impossible to tell from brand new".
Secondly, if this was a standup Member and you didn't contact them immediately when you noticed these things, which should have been within a day, then you are certainly bearing at least some responsibility here. Why did you not contact them earlier with questions or at the very least why did you not contact them now via email with your questions after your comparison?
I would suggest emailing the guy and avoiding non-specific 'guilt trips' if you wish to come sort of resolution to the problem. But don't expect too much sympathy after 6 months cause that is extraordinarily questionable.
Just my opinion but you'll get better results with a different approach. I do understand the need to blow off steam though so I hope this post at least served that purpose.
Bes of luck,
Shawn
I didn't get another Sebbie until recently, so I didn't have another Sebbie to compare it with. I did have some doubts about the small Sebbie when I first received it, but all I had to compare it to was other "production knives, " which is like comparing apples to oranges. What really convinced me that it was not NIB was the lock. The small that I traded for had a lock that was well worn in and travelled across the tang of the blade. It appreared to have been opened and closed many times. There is no way I could have known that this was not "normal" for a "new" until I got another to compare it to. Contacting this guy now would not solve anything, because he would only deny it. The purpose of this post was twofold, 1. To vent and let this get know that I'm aware he ripped me off. 2. To make other BF members aware that even though some members have good reputations, they are not always honorable and that buyers/traders beware.
My suggestion to kutch133 is to "read the book".Have the ability to tell a used knife from a new one.It should not take six months to verify or affirm the deal.
As far as being "ripped off" quit sniveling.You had right of refusal and did not use it.I remember the time frame.You were selling a few knives to get your Sebenza "at all costs".Send it back to CRK and get it refurbrished.No biggie.
In my opinion it was a good learning experience.They are invaluable.
As far as being "ripped off" quit sniveling.You had right of refusal and did not use it.I remember the time frame.You were selling a few knives to get your Sebenza "at all costs".Send it back to CRK and get it refurbrished.No biggie.
In my opinion it was a good learning experience.They are invaluable.
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Well six months is a long time to post a complaint. I agree with Nifrand in that one should be able to look at a knife and evaluate its condition, especially when dealing with a high dollar item. Clearly that is one of the dangers of dealing with things over the net, especially if you have never seen one before.
I will agree with you though the knife was not NIB as it clearly showed signs of handling and most likely carry. It does not take much to wear down the anodization of the sebenza thumbstud and the bead blast on them is fairly easy to scuff. Overtravel may be a sign of significant use or a manufacturing defect and is potentially more serious. Does it do it every time or just when you force the lock? Sharpness is a relative thing, were there any marks on the blade suggesting use? The edge should have been higly polished.
The long and short is if you plan on carrying it send it back to CRK to get an overhaul. They will take care of you. I know it rankles you when you overpay for something based on an exaggerated description of its condition. You don't post names (which is appropriate considering the length of time since the sale) but it may have been ignorance on the sellers part or an intentional deception. I guess only one person knows for sure.
Now here are a few questions
When should the term NIB or LNIB be used?
If you are not the original owner should the term NIB ever be applied? A second (or third etc) owner does not know the true history of the piece. Light use (and even careful sharpening)is hard for many people to detect and can significantly affect its market value.
I would say NIB should be reserved only for pristine, unused pieces that the original owner is selling (buying from a dealer new would still qualify as the original owner)
LNIB should be reserved for those blades that appear "new" when carefully examined and have the original (and unused) edge, but may have been handled. If the knife has been owned by another that should be clearly stated.
Where should knives be posted that come with manufacturing flaws (ie small cosmetic defects or slightly assymetric grinds)?
I find it humorous to see for sale posts where people advertise "LNIB but carefully sharpened" blades.........
I will agree with you though the knife was not NIB as it clearly showed signs of handling and most likely carry. It does not take much to wear down the anodization of the sebenza thumbstud and the bead blast on them is fairly easy to scuff. Overtravel may be a sign of significant use or a manufacturing defect and is potentially more serious. Does it do it every time or just when you force the lock? Sharpness is a relative thing, were there any marks on the blade suggesting use? The edge should have been higly polished.
The long and short is if you plan on carrying it send it back to CRK to get an overhaul. They will take care of you. I know it rankles you when you overpay for something based on an exaggerated description of its condition. You don't post names (which is appropriate considering the length of time since the sale) but it may have been ignorance on the sellers part or an intentional deception. I guess only one person knows for sure.
Now here are a few questions
When should the term NIB or LNIB be used?
If you are not the original owner should the term NIB ever be applied? A second (or third etc) owner does not know the true history of the piece. Light use (and even careful sharpening)is hard for many people to detect and can significantly affect its market value.
I would say NIB should be reserved only for pristine, unused pieces that the original owner is selling (buying from a dealer new would still qualify as the original owner)
LNIB should be reserved for those blades that appear "new" when carefully examined and have the original (and unused) edge, but may have been handled. If the knife has been owned by another that should be clearly stated.
Where should knives be posted that come with manufacturing flaws (ie small cosmetic defects or slightly assymetric grinds)?
I find it humorous to see for sale posts where people advertise "LNIB but carefully sharpened" blades.........
Yes the world is full of crooks....I got a watch last Sept that cost nearly 1200 and it stopped working. No reply from the sender. His fault entirely?? I have NO idea....but I should have checked it out a LOT more when I first got it. Like Randy says, you got a knife, maybe you lost a few dollars but that is all a part of learning and growing wiser. Remember, its ONLY money. At least he didnt get anything important. Time is your most valuable asset. Use it wisely. 
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Originally posted by tom mayo
Yes the world is full of crooks....I got a watch last Sept that cost nearly 1200 and it stopped working. No reply from the sender. His fault entirely?? I have NO idea....but I should have checked it out a LOT more when I first got it. Like Randy says, you got a knife, maybe you lost a few dollars but that is all a part of learning and growing wiser. Remember, its ONLY money. At least he didnt get anything important. Time is your most valuable asset. Use it wisely.
Tom, I KNOW what you mean...Awhile back I traded a couple of GOOD knives for a Seiko Quartz Dive watch that quit working after I owned the watch for 2 months...
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