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New "spin" on an old method

Magnussen said:
If I were trying this method.... which I may have to now that I talked out of my ass... I would a through notch on the top facing edge of the fire board(where all the friction is happenning) It may start to wander up but I think you may have a greater chance of getting a coal efficiently. I would also use both sides for the fireboard, since the bearing block is not needed here.

Doc.... I restated that a coal is possible..... but definately not efficient...... now you gone and made me feel bad.... snif snif.

Dick
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I'm sorry Rick :o - WHAT WAS I THINKING????? :eek:

Anyway, another thing I would do is tie a constrictor knot around the drill (like the Egyptian Bow Drill technique) to further eliminate slippage and keep the string from wandering left and right where it might get hung up on a shoe.

Also, I seem to remember that Dick Baugh postulated that one of the necessary requirements is for the drill to regrind some of the char, if so, gravity would largely prevent that from happening, in this case. Later, I'll try to find that thing from Dick Baugh.

Doc
 
I found another video with an alternative horizontal bowdrill method.
It's not in english but you get the drift ... pretty cool stuff.

[youtube]pBbukHEHKiU[/youtube]
 
KuRUpTD said:
I found another video with an alternative horizontal bowdrill method.
It's not in english but you get the drift ... pretty cool stuff.

[youtube]pBbukHEHKiU[/youtube]
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You're right, that is pretty cool. Not cool enough to get me excited though: just something to keep in mind for later. I can't see any advantage over the way I've always done it.
 
:eek::eek::eek::eek:
What happened at 7:31...... are you kidding me?


The whole set-up changed... another spindle hole magically appears and voila... the ember is there........

Is it just me?

Please
 
Now that one I like !!! Didn't understand a word he said but his actions spoke quite loudly !! I like it !!:thumbup::thumbup:

Just another bit of knowledge to store away...
 
Magnussen said:
You wanna know what I think? I can't see it ever working, efficiently. You don't see people doing this ANYWHERE for a reason. Ten seconds to a coal, my ass. I'm not usually one to get worked up over something but this kind of asshatery pisses me off. If you are going to reveal a "better way" you had better damn well show results.

I guarantee he has NEVER gotten a coal from ANY type of friction fire. Did you see his fireboard w/ notch?

Garbage.

Sorry for the mini-meltdown. I don't know if my BS tolerance has been reached... but I want to beat this guy with his own shoes!






Ahhhh..... better.
Rick


Somebody please be successful at this "easier" method and prove me wrong.
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Come now, don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel :D
 
Please watch the above video again and pay attention at the crucial moment (7:31) when the magic happens. If it isn't meant to put us on they made very poor editing decisions.
 
Tuxdad said:
Now that one I like !!! Didn't understand a word he said but his actions spoke quite loudly !! I like it !!:thumbup::thumbup:

Just another bit of knowledge to store away...
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Am I not seeing the same video here?

Dude!!!!!!



Really.
 
For the first video, anyone else feel that you can't adjust the bearing block pressure easily? No way is it easier than a bowdrill. I doubt you can get the string to easily stay on the middle of the spindle too. MAY be possible, but definitely not easier, especially if you have a bad back. And smoke means nothing without an ember.
 
Holy controversy!!!!!!!

First vid, well I thought it neat that he uses a variation of the egyption drill method, at least for tying the spindle. However, I can't personally see being able to control positioning/pressure and stability of the drill & headpiece very well. Kudos for him getting smoke, but I don't think you can go for gusto like you do when you see smoke using hand drill. Also as mentioned by others, the way in which your dust piles up seems essential to the method. This is affected by both the nature of the notch and also the pressure you apply during the drilling. I see where the horizontal method produces weaknesses and difficulties in both these areas.

Second method is a bit more believable, at least in controlling the pressure, but here I don't see any advantage what so ever in his vertical movement to the horizontal one. In fact, the motion looks much more awkward than typical of bowdrill. Also seems to suffer from the notch effects.

I also agree with Rick about the ember and magic edit. Seems a bit convenient. If you look very carefully just prior to the magic switch you see a flake or flattened region of his spindle clearly on one side and that flattened area is right at the top before the edit. Then the flattened area is gone and I suspect the spindle is different when the ember appears.
 
Great stuff:thumbup:, while you guys practice those new methods, be sure to try the 3 man bow drill. With the extra 2 guys, you can bypass coal and go right to fire!!!

What, don't believe me:mad:; I have pics!!!









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How about this one also ???
 
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