New Spyderco Double Stuff 2 is out

I used a first generation Doublestuff for years now and it is a great stone for touch ups in the field but the one sharpening tool that Spyderco used to sell that I believe far exceeds their Doublestuff is their 701 Profiles. Now it was about 3 to 4 months ago over at the other Forum I believe Sal stated that they are going to do a Sprint Run of the 701 Profiles and in more grits than they had with the original set which only had white fine and dark grey medium. Even with those two grits I've been able to do some really good quality sharpening in the field and the radii on both corners make them ideal for sharpening Spyderedges ( serrations. n

Not only will they do Spyderedges they will also do other serration patterns on the market as well. I'll probably get a set of the Doublestuff 2 stones because I tend to like just about every sharpening tool that Spyderco ever brought to market. But I would far rather have a new set of 701 Profiles and I'll be watching closely for the release of that tool. If they would ever do the 701 Profiles in diamond and ultra-fine they would be the perfect sharpening tool for field use IMO.
 
I used a first generation Doublestuff for years now and it is a great stone for touch ups in the field but the one sharpening tool that Spyderco used to sell that I believe far exceeds their Doublestuff is their 701 Profiles. Now it was about 3 to 4 months ago over at the other Forum I believe Sal stated that they are going to do a Sprint Run of the 701 Profiles and in more grits than they had with the original set which only had white fine and dark grey medium. Even with those two grits I've been able to do some really good quality sharpening in the field and the radii on both corners make them ideal for sharpening Spyderedges ( serrations. n

Not only will they do Spyderedges they will also do other serration patterns on the market as well. I'll probably get a set of the Doublestuff 2 stones because I tend to like just about every sharpening tool that Spyderco ever brought to market. But I would far rather have a new set of 701 Profiles and I'll be watching closely for the release of that tool. If they would ever do the 701 Profiles in diamond and ultra-fine they would be the perfect sharpening tool for field use IMO.
That would be sweet, man, I hope that make a UF pocket stone buy itself one day.
 


Cubic boron nitride is a great thermal conducter.

None of this matters for us knife guys.

Currently, non knife related industrial grinding operation use diamond for cemented carbide non ferrous Alloys and ceramics.

CBN is used for steel.

Makes me wonder why there is no CBN abrasive belts for a 2x72 but who knows maybe too expensive per belt.

But yeah less heat is transferred to the tool when grinding steel with CBN.

Yeah, dude, but that's CBN vs. Al2O3, not CBN vs diamond. :p
 
"So let's discuss the thermal and chemical considerations of grinding with superabrasive grit particles a bit closer. CBN has higher thermal resistance than diamond. As a matter of fact, at temperatures exceeding 800ƒC, CBN is harder than diamond and is able to maintain its cutting edge well up to 1000ƒC. In addition, the thermal conductivity of CBN is four and half times better than copper--in close competition with diamond. "
 
So I had a gift certificate, and used it to get a DoubleStuff 2 to try. What can I say? I like portable sharpening stones, I like sharpening on the go and not always on a bench. :)

There was a logic to trying this one, I'll be able to use it even it turns out not to be the fav. First, it's physically the smallest LxWxH dimensions of any portable sharpener I have, it's slim and compact and that appeals for backpacking and trail carry. Second, despite the ceramic which is my main issue with it, it works if you use an approach that has been discussed in a few recent threads, basically sharpen at a grit in the 300-400 range to get a toothy utility edge, strop/refine, and done. With this stone, the CBN side is quite coarse (the edge finish you get looks roughly similar to what I get on my DMT coarse, when sharpening M390). It feels extremely coarse to the touch, and when sharpening it's really coarse, I'd guess somewhere 220 to 320 mesh range, despite published comments that the Spydie CBN sharpmaker rods are 400 mesh. I suppose this could be 400, but sure feels more coarse to me. I put an edge on my Kershaw link and it passed usual sharpness tests. Then on the fine white ceramic side, I tried an approach I've used ceramics for recently, just to refine. 5 super light strokes each side at the sharpening angle. This improved sharpness a little more, smoother push-cuts in paper. Finally, taking Jason B's suggestion, I stropped at sharpening angle, wood block with 1 micron CBN compound, again 5 passes per side at sharpening angle, moderate pressure. This added one last noticeable improvement in sharpness, now it would cut paper towel. I almost could not believe the level of sharpness I could get with this little stone, just using these steps.

Bottom line: This could be a really great little field sharpener. I'm glad I got one despite my reservations about the ceramic. I still have reservations about using ceramics in anything but a light refine/finish role after apexing, especially on super steels, but this stone can work if you use it that way. The things I like about this stone: (1) the slim compact size and light weight, (2) the sharpening experience and feedback--though not as good as the AF IMHO--is better than the small interrupted DMT folding hones, (3) the versatility--I like that I can use it for sharpening other things like recurves and serrations that we have a few around the house, and that it can sharpen every steel I have, (4) the actual sharpening results you can get--fantastic. Although all these hones get fantastic sharpening results, they are all equal in that respect. I can't really pick a favorite out of the AF, the DMT, and the DS2--they all do certain things better than the others, and I'll use them all. But the DS2 is definitely an outstanding little stone, adding the CBN side was a winner by Spyderco and I'm glad they put this stone out there. Serious Spydie fans should upgrade and get one of these if you need a portable for your super steel folders. I hope Spyderco expands this line and adds more grits, maybe a version that has a CBN coarse and a CBN fine side, for instance. The only question mark I have with this one over time is how the CBN surface will hold up.


DS2 CBN side, with the included pouch. Super compact setup.
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LxW comparison of my 3 portables:
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Height comparison, with the 2 DMT sharpeners stacked the way I'd carry them. The DS2 is by far the most slim. Great for carry, a little tricky to hold for sharpening, tho. :)
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Here's how I held the DS2 while sharpening with it. Works OK, but I find the AF, and the DMT hones, both are MUCH easier to hold onto:
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CBN surface:
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The ceramic surface with groove:
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Put the DS2 to work on a $6.99 throway Schrade folder, about as sharp as a butterknife. 15 mins to reset factory edge on CBN, 5 strokes per side each on ceramic, and strop. This cheap piece of crap shaves arm hair and slices chunks off magazine pages. Of course it bears repeating, my AF stone can (and has) perform every bit as well, as can the DMT's. But the DS2 is for real, it's a heckuva portable sharpening stone. Also, the CBN does great on this soft Chinese stainless (9Cr18MoV).

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I'm really liking this DS2 also. As a carry-in-the-field stone , it has exactly what I want if only carrying one.
Fine ceramic for quick touch-ups , and coarse for messed up edges , machetes , axes ,etc. plus ability to sharpen serrations and fish hooks. I do carry more stones , but if it came down to one , that'd be it for a stone I'd carry in the bush. I think that's where it excels for me . I am glad it actually doesn't have the medium brown , as it loads up worse , and I'd rather have finer polishing ability.
 
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