new test (also willing to participate)

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TimmyTheTalkingToilet

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Battle of the miricle sharpeners

I had thought about this yesterday, I could not get an edge on my Kershaw (whatever made by ken onion) and I go to the local archery store and I was looking at a myerco sharpener, I asked him about it, and he showes me something else: one of those carbide blade things that will sharpen my knife. well he sharpens it and puts a few more scratches on the blade, but it is shaving sharp. so why not: I bought it and tryed it out on a few others, it didn't work worth a crap so I just put it with my other "Miricle sharpeners"

so could we figure out which is the best sharpener around?

I could send in a few.

(that way you could sharpen all of those 7" bladed ones from the last test)
 
I second that commotion
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We should list what sharpeners we want tested.

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"A knifeless man is a lifeless man"
-Nordic proverb

 
I know is doesn't cost a fortune and you can't carry it around in you back pocket, but I still say the best sharpener around is white rouge on a loose muslin wheel. I can sharpen anything till it will pop those hairs and you can't even feel it doing it. Ya just gotta be careful to keep those fingers above the cutting edge, or you will loose some blood and maybe some meat. Take care! Michael

P.S. It works great for serrated blades too.<img src=http://members.aol.com/l6steel/ebay/flag.jpg>

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"Always think of your fellow knife makers as partners in the search for the perfect blade, not as people trying to compete with you and your work!"
 
Well we take those knifes Mr. Turber tested and just put an edge on them or we could just get about 10 cheapies and then see if we could put a shaving edge on them.

or just get a bunch of different type of knifes and then figure out which works for what.
 
Man, this is a great idea.

I've been see-sawing back and fourth for weeks trying to figure out which would be best for me.

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Clay G.
www.balisongxtreme.com


 
That's an excellent suggestion. I suspect that many of us have a drawer full of "miracle sharpeners", some of which cost as much as a decent knife.

All we need to do is order up a case of those Camillus knives from the first test and get sharpening.



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Chuck
Balisongs -- because it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing!
http://www.4cs.net/~gollnick
 
T4: Love the idea.
Chuck: whaddaya mean "cost as much as"? My damn Lansky diamond system costs more than quite a few of my knives. And it's "fine" diamond isn't.

Anyway, here's my suggestions for sharpeners to test:
[*]Lansky both the stones and diamond system. I can probably shed some info on the diamond system.
[*]Buck Jiffysharp. Got one of those too.
[*]DMT
[*]Eze-lap benchstones
[*]Arkansas stone. That quartzite one. Can't remember the name.

Just a thought. Some of these are recommended to be used with water or oil, but in another thread somewhere, there was a debate on whether you should use oil at all. Some people claimed they were getting faster and better results without oil. I think the test should also address this point.

[This message has been edited by Steelwolf (edited 28 October 1999).]
 
Sounds great, but I think we need a few categories here. For instance, sharpeners for long knives (kitchen and over 4" or something) and pocket knives. As many of you know sharpeners like Lansky and DMT Aligner work very well on pocket knives, but not that well on longer knives (as the angle changes or you will have to clamp it on a different position after a while), whereas benchstones and Spyderco also work well on long knives. Different kinds of sharpeners excel in different sharpening chores.

Hugo.
 
For who does the test I nominate...Mike Turber.
Perhaps it should be 2 catagories...Tools (those that assist you in getting the correct edge)and Stones (diamond or natural, that require some skill of the user).
Mike just completed a knife comparison that yeilded a wealth of information.
Getting a group of dull, like sized/shape knives might be a problem
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~~TOM~~
Spyderco Starmate winner! Thanks Sal Glesser!!!
 
I'd like to see this test done two times -- once with someone who is a skilled, longtime knife sharpener (like Joe Talmadge) and once with someone just barely knows what they're doing.

Some types of sharpeners work wonders, but only if the person doing it has a lot of skill. A newbie (or a knowledgable spaz) may do much better with a completely different type of sharpener.
 
I have some ideas for testing Sharpening systems.

I would like to see the testing done by someone who is very proficient at sharpening.

I would like to see at least four knives sharpened with each system:
3 inch straight Blade AUS8 or 440C Steel
3 inch straight Blade ATS-34 or ATS-55 Steel
7 inch Straight Blade
3.5 to 4 inch Serrated Blade

The evaluation criteria I would recommend are:

Ease of Setup
Level of Skill required
Time/Effort required for DULL Blade
Time/Effort required for Touch up

Some of the Systems I would like to see tested are:

Sharpmaker 204
Lansky or Gatco
Eze-Lap
Bench Stones

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I've used a bunch of system, and am pretty firmly convinced that this quest for "best sharpening system" is akin to the quest for "best steel". The best of the various systems definitely have advantages and disadvantages versus each other, in terms of setup time, choices of edge angles, accuracy, speed of sharpening, ability to sharpen different blade shapes, ability to sharpen blades of different lengths/thicknesses/grinds. All will do an astoundingly good job on many types of knives.

The accurate, suitable for any blade length or thickness, supremely well-constructed and infinitely-adjustable Apex is expensive, slow to set up, and doesn't do recurved folders well. The incredibly accurate and fast Razor Edge has only a limited range of edge angles, won't do blades of certain thicknesses, doesn't do full flat grinds well, nor recurved blades at all. The quick-to-set-up, accurate-enough Spyderco Sharpmaker has a choice of only 2 edge angles, but is the best choice for recurved blades, and handles blades of any length, thickness, or grind. Couple the Sharpmaker with a DMT coarse hone, and the Sharpmaker is faster to use than any other system except the Razor Edge.

I can go into a more exhaustive list of advantages and disadvantages as I see them.

BTW, I just received a Skarb in the mail, I'm going to put it through its paces this weekend or next.

Joe
jat@cup.hp.com
 
Sorry Joe, a slight different opinion regarding the Edge Pro Apex. It is not slow to set up in my hands. It takes no longer than the Spyderco. Secondly, used it to sharpen everything from a 20 1/2 serupati, to a small SAK. The recurve on the axis is not even a challange, it just does a great job.
As far as expense, it costs far more than many other sharpeners, but I am very paticular about the edge on my knives. I enjoy looking at a less than one degree variance along the entire length, a mirrored reflection from the edge, and knowing it will hold up and cut like hou want it to.
I still use the excellent Spyderco for serrated areas, although, if the curves are not pitted, may just put a one or two degree bevel on from the back.
I am not affiliated in any way with Edge Pro.
Its just when something works better than expected, it deserves some mention.
Jim

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What? Another knife? Don't you have enough of those things already?
How many does one person need?
And just what are you going to do with this one that you can't do with the others?
What is the purpose of all these knives anyhow??


 
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