New Ti Military - What's the Status?

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cziv

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I want a new Military with RIL framelock - but I read that the bar's face (or what it's called) smears right off. Although the new pic of the attachment on the end looks like shite, I'm wondering if they're out yet and what the status is.

Why can't they get it right like all the other Ti knives using the Ti framelock without screwing that weird thingamabob on the end? :confused:

Has anyone got a Ti framelock in the Spyderco Military "without" any wear problems? It must be significant for them to change it.
 
"Smears right off" is pretty fantastic. I don't think I've seen any posts along those lines in the usual places? The new ones aren't out yet. I think the question isn't whether anyone has a Ti Military framelock "'without' any wear problems" but whether anyone has one that does have premature wear problems, and how many of them there are.

http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~bcohen/phantom_tollbooth/conclusions.html ??? ;) :)

cziv said:
I want a new Military with RIL framelock - but I read that the bar's face (or what it's called) smears right off. Although the new pic of the attachment on the end looks like shite, I'm wondering if they're out yet and what the status is.

Why can't they get it right like all the other Ti knives using the Ti framelock without screwing that weird thingamabob on the end? :confused:

Has anyone got a Ti framelock in the Spyderco Military "without" any wear problems? It must be significant for them to change it.
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JNewell said:
"Smears right off" is pretty fantastic. I don't think I've seen any posts along those lines in the usual places? The new ones aren't out yet. I think the question isn't whether anyone has a Ti Military framelock "'without' any wear problems" but whether anyone has one that does have premature wear problems, and how many of them there are.

http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~bcohen/phantom_tollbooth/conclusions.html ??? ;) :)
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How about wears out super fast? I've read that right here. Or, as you said premature wear problems. Not meant to offend, just want a new model of the Ti Military and wanted to know about the fix. I wonder why they don't carbonize instead of putting the littel peice on them? :)
 
Because by using the insert, they can repair the knife when some idiot spine-whacks it to death in a week without having to replace the whole side. As far as I know, I have the first TiRIL Military released into the wild, and I've had no issues with it (other than it feels like a boat anchor compared to the CF models). I'm not exactly noted for my careful and gentle use of knives, either.
 
yablanowitz said:
Because by using the insert, they can repair the knife when some idiot spine-whacks it to death in a week without having to replace the whole side. As far as I know, I have the first TiRIL Military released into the wild, and I've had no issues with it (other than it feels like a boat anchor compared to the CF models). I'm not exactly noted for my careful and gentle use of knives, either.
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Ouch. :D

Knowing how you use your knives, I'd say that the OP can forget this as an issue completely. (Honestly!) :)

Spyderco has been making knives for a long time - I don't think the improved version should be taken as any kind of indication that the first version was somehow inferior, truly. If there is a problem down the road, they are also a stand-up company as far as customer service and warranty issues go.

If I were a dealer with a significant inventory of the original Ti C36, though, I guess I'd be a little annoyed. ;)
 
cziv said:
How about wears out super fast? I've read that right here. Or, as you said premature wear problems. Not meant to offend, just want a new model of the Ti Military and wanted to know about the fix. I wonder why they don't carbonize instead of putting the littel peice on them? :)
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Nothing they (or anyone else) can do with the Ti will be as durable over time as (correctly chosen and hardened) steel. It is definitely a quantum leap...I don't think more than a couple of companies have used steel facings on lockbars for framelocks. There was a thread here recently on this, IIRC? I'm not finding it quickly, though I do remember the new Lionsteel knives being cited - here's a pic: http://www.knifeart.com/additionalview608.html
 
I have one that seems to be wearing quickly. It was fine when I first got it (NIB). However, the lock has a bit of give when used (I can definitely feel it when in use). Plus, the blade has developed slight up and down play; not alleviated by tightening the pivot screw. The blade was used for food prep, breaking down boxes, cutting saplings.

I'm guessing that this was just a bad one. Another I've gotten has none of this. The 'bad seed' Ti Mil will be headed back to Spyderco in time.
 
Hateman said:
I have one that seems to be wearing quickly. It was fine when I first got it (NIB). However, the lock has a bit of give when used (I can definitely feel it when in use). Plus, the blade has developed slight up and down play; not alleviated by tightening the pivot screw. The blade was used for food prep, breaking down boxes, cutting saplings.

I'm guessing that this was just a bad one. Another I've gotten has none of this. The 'bad seed' Ti Mil will be headed back to Spyderco in time.
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That's what the warranty is for. Maybe see if they'll hold off until the new version is available, if you can wait? My limited experiences with Spyderco W&R have all been great.
 
JNewell said:
It's not, and the informed posts in that thread don't say it is.
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May I ask what qualifies an informed post? It seems like opinions to me, and in my experience my steel liner locks seem to develop play over time and my ti framelocks remain solid.
 
HardHeart qualifies as an informed post. He is a professional Metallurgist.

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HardHeart is not a professional metallurgist, however, he may have played one on TV once.

Sorry for the misinformation. My apologies.
 
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The replaceable tip will not just be on the Military so it is not an issue with only the Ti Military. The Military just happens to be the first knife it will be put on but all ti frame locks will get the replaceable tip in time. Spyderco obviously thinks it is a more robust design which is why they are switching all their RIL to the replaceable tip over time.
 
Now I remember! I asked awhile back, why so many Ti Militarys were showing up on the exchange and got warned off by a "couple of" members who had the wear issue - which seems to be more the exception than the rule.

I've been unhappy since I sold my G-10 Military and miss it. I was just doing some research when I stumbled into this TI issue.

This is really confusing to me anyway. I don't know still, if the upgraded one is available (sounds like no).

Ill shut my hole and think about it for another month or two. Thanks guys. :)
 
When you say a lot were showing up on b/s/t forums, are you specifically speaking of the Ti version? The double G10 versions have a steel locking leaf, not titanium. Another thing is that some of those sales were by people who were happy with the knife but wanted to buy the latest/best when it becomes available and recognized that, for better or worse, resale value on the first Ti version was probably going to take a big hit.

The Gen 2/"improved" Ti Military isn't shipping yet AFAIK, and there's probably going to be a good bit of inventory of the Gen 1 Ti Military out there for quite a while, so make sure you are careful with the seller about what you're buying when they do start shipping!
 
JNewell said:
When you say a lot were showing up on b/s/t forums, are you specifically speaking of the Ti version? The double G10 versions have a steel locking leaf, not titanium. Another thing is that some of those sales were by people who were happy with the knife but wanted to buy the latest/best when it becomes available and recognized that, for better or worse, resale value on the first Ti version was probably going to take a big hit.

The Gen 2/"improved" Ti Military isn't shipping yet AFAIK, and there's probably going to be a good bit of inventory of the Gen 1 Ti Military out there for quite a while, so make sure you are careful with the seller about what you're buying when they do start shipping!
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Thanks - It'll probably be a long time until the dealers sell their old stock and then start selling the new models (probably at a high price). I'll probably get the time tested & proven G-10 model again. Good price point and a good knife. :thumbup:

If I can only talk someone into flipping the clip like the recent thread - that would really rock! :D
 
Don't you figure that when users of the 1st generation knives finally develop blade play and send them back that they will return from Spyderco with a recess milled into the locking bar and a steel insert installed?

Given that is exactly what I expect to happen, the only penalty to buying 1st generation would be the cost of shipping to Golden.
 
The Military liner lock is a solution looking for a problem. The Knifeworks G10/Ti framelock with M4 steel promises to be an awesome knife -- yes, worthy of awe. But I'd be just as happy if it had the standard liner lock. The attraction to me is the M4 steel.
 
elkins45 said:
Don't you figure that when users of the 1st generation knives finally develop blade play and send them back that they will return from Spyderco with a recess milled into the locking bar and a steel insert installed?

Given that is exactly what I expect to happen, the only penalty to buying 1st generation would be the cost of shipping to Golden.
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Dunno, just speculating...I would guess Spyderco would replace them as long as they had parts on hand, then replace the knife entirely. I don't know if the new lock-side part is otherwise the same, or whether it would be cost-effective to retrofit the insert rather than just ship a knife that came off the production line? Hard to say from where we sit...?

There is a lot, an awful lot, actually, to be said for the standard G10 Millies. I love titanium at least as much as the next person, but the light weight of the traditional configuration is part of its appeal (to me). :thumbup:
 
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