New Ti Military - What's the Status?

Originally Posted by elkins45
Don't you figure that when users of the 1st generation knives finally develop blade play and send them back that they will return from Spyderco with a recess milled into the locking bar and a steel insert installed?


Well maybe not quite that simple, I would bet $1 that all machining on the Ti side is done before they put the "set" in the locking part of the frame. might need a bit more fixturing that the original
 
Hope the new insert can be bought separately. Hope it'll be affordable as well. Would be nice to keep some stock of the inserts to give my framelocks new 'life' after a while :)
 
Twindog said:
The Military liner lock is a solution looking for a problem. The Knifeworks G10/Ti framelock with M4 steel promises to be an awesome knife -- yes, worthy of awe. But I'd be just as happy if it had the standard liner lock. The attraction to me is the M4 steel.
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Actually, I'd be much happier if it was the standard liner lock with G-10 or CF. CPM M4 is the only attraction for me, the titanium is just the price I have to pay to get it.
 
yablanowitz said:
Actually, I'd be much happier if it was the standard liner lock with G-10 or CF. CPM M4 is the only attraction for me, the titanium is just the price I have to pay to get it.
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I would agree. A CF Military with CPM-M4 is what would have been awesome.
 
That would have been the bomb, and likely cost less. Heck, even a G10 LL Mili with M4!

I don't see the issue with the steel insert as "standard TiRIL is faulty". It's more like graduation from integral clip to steel clip; the integral clip is fine, nothing wrong with it, but the steel clip is stronger, can be replaced and probably lasts longer.
 
wongKI said:
I don't see the issue with the steel insert as "standard TiRIL is faulty". It's more like graduation from integral clip to steel clip; the integral clip is fine, nothing wrong with it, but the steel clip is stronger, can be replaced and probably lasts longer.
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I agree. It's the Japanese idea of kaizen, or continuous improvement. Just because version 1 of something was good doesn't mean the company shouldn't try to produce a version 2 that's even better.

We would still be using flint blades if it weren't for this idea.
 
Cotherion said:
Hope the new insert can be bought separately. Hope it'll be affordable as well. Would be nice to keep some stock of the inserts to give my framelocks new 'life' after a while :)
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Not a chance. :) The tolerances involved are tiny. Spyderco would never allow users to do this "in the field," nor would any other knife maker. Heck, CRK won't even mail out washers for Sebs because of concerns about correct fit and tolerances.
 
Joshua J. said:
HardHeart qualifies as an informed post. He is a professional Metallurgist.
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I only play one on TV.:D

I am not a metallurgist. I have spoken with some over the years, bought my own metallurgy texts, and have a few gigs of digital copies of metallurgical studies on my computers. Several regarding tests of the wear resistance of titanium & titanium alloys are available online.

For my next trick, I discuss quantum entanglement & the wave function with a cohort, and pretend to understand it. Actually, he's very kind, spoon-feeding me the results of several experiments and then saying he's impressed with my comprehension of the principles involved. It's about the same here, after enough messages, emails, & texts, I almost get it:o
 
JNewell said:
Not a chance. :) The tolerances involved are tiny. Spyderco would never allow users to do this "in the field," nor would any other knife maker. Heck, CRK won't even mail out washers for Sebs because of concerns about correct fit and tolerances.
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Maybe not. But Lionsteel let me buy an extra insert for my SR-1 so that if it ever wears out I can have one on hand instead of trying to track down a European company that is hopefully still in business.

The Spyderco version is going to have 3 locating posts and 2 screws. With that kind of precision I would hope it is something you can pop out and put a new one in. But Spyderco has gotten weird about their warranty lately, even if you are buying the part.
 
We had a discussion thread - some months back about Spyderco only extending warranty on parts that they keep in stock and it semed that unlike Benchmade who's got everything, they don't keep much stuff around.

This may not be the case if as you posted, they are going to be outfitting all of their Ti knives using RIL's with these attachments.
 
I will trade a Carbon Fiber Military handle for a Titanium Military handle.
 
Twindog said:
The Military liner lock is a solution looking for a problem. The Knifeworks G10/Ti framelock with M4 steel promises to be an awesome knife -- yes, worthy of awe. But I'd be just as happy if it had the standard liner lock. The attraction to me is the M4 steel.
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I wonder whether it will have the replaceable lock face. :confused: I'm not too worried either way. We're coming up on October so I hope we see them soon!
 
FlaMtnBkr said:
Maybe not. But Lionsteel let me buy an extra insert for my SR-1 so that if it ever wears out I can have one on hand instead of trying to track down a European company that is hopefully still in business.

The Spyderco version is going to have 3 locating posts and 2 screws. With that kind of precision I would hope it is something you can pop out and put a new one in. But Spyderco has gotten weird about their warranty lately, even if you are buying the part.
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Yes - but that's totally different from selling the insert and letting owners fit them to the Gen1 knives...it's not even clear that the dimensions of the lockbar face will be the same. I honestly would not expect Spyderco to do what Lionsteel did for you, even with the Gen2 knives. As I said, CRK won't even ship washers due to concerns about proper fit.
 
Buffalohump said:
Indeed it will.
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+1, this was posted by TazKristi... :thumbup: Presumably this is at least some of the cause of the slower-than-expected shipment of these, and I'm very OK with the delay, especially given this change. :thumbup:
 
JNewell said:
Yes - but that's totally different from selling the insert and letting owners fit them to the Gen1 knives...it's not even clear that the dimensions of the lockbar face will be the same. I honestly would not expect Spyderco to do what Lionsteel did for you, even with the Gen2 knives. As I said, CRK won't even ship washers due to concerns about proper fit.
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I didn't think we were talking about the gen 1 just the gen 2. They would never allow someone to try and retrofit a gen 1 to accept the tip and I doubt they will even try to do that. It would require some fancy mill work at the least assuming there is enough material on the lock and that dimensions don't change. I would be willing to bet that other geometries will change so that the addition of the replaceable tip is not the only change. Spyderco is constantly making small changes and I would think they will make all the changes they think are necessary to prolong lock life.

I have taken the tip off my SR-1 and played around with it and the new tip and I don't think it would be a big deal to have the end user replace the tip unless something is drastically different. If they are made with any precision at all it is about like replacing a pocket clip.
 
hardheart said:
I only play one on TV.:D

I am not a metallurgist. I have spoken with some over the years, bought my own metallurgy texts, and have a few gigs of digital copies of metallurgical studies on my computers. Several regarding tests of the wear resistance of titanium & titanium alloys are available online.

For my next trick, I discuss quantum entanglement & the wave function with a cohort, and pretend to understand it. Actually, he's very kind, spoon-feeding me the results of several experiments and then saying he's impressed with my comprehension of the principles involved. It's about the same here, after enough messages, emails, & texts, I almost get it:o
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:foot:
Serves me right opening my mouth without concrete evidence.

I know we have a few professionals on the forum, trouble is people around here are usually too modest to say as much.
 
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