new tip design on some spydercos

I really like the reinforced tips on the D4 and E4. I don't have a Police 3 yet, but have around four SS Police models, and I have never broken a tip on any knife (yet). But for me, the new, stronger tips still penetrate extremely well. For the type of cutting I do, the new tip shapes actually serve me a bit better.
Jim
 
Anybody actually handled the Phoenix yet? What's the tip like on that one? From pics -Salt 1 looks pretty good too - thanks Yablonowitz
 
zenheretic said:
At least you admit it.
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That looks like a Pollock to me, Zen. I'll take it off your hands for a couple of hundred. ;)
 
To illustrate the amount of change it would take to make the new tips pleasing to my eye, here are a few pix.

The Police 3 in hand. I think the mortar lines on the block wall make the hump at the tip very noticable.

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The blade before it met my grinder.

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The tip before

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After I reground it to suit me.

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Close up on the tip

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The change is actually quite small, but it makes a huge difference in the appearance of the knife to me.
 
If they could make the knife look like that, but stay as strong, I would be all over it! Much nicer looking.

As for the reinforced tips, if you've ever lent a knife to a non-afi, you'll understand why they're there. The contractor working on my house was using my E4W to pry open the cap on my sink drain, then stab into the drain to remove the clog. Then he cut a 1 foot square out of the stucco and drywall ceiling to get access to a water pipe. The knife went from shaving sharp to unable to cut paper in about 5 minutes, yet the tip was unscathed. Keep up the tough tips!

-mark
 
audiopile said:
Anybody actually handled the Phoenix yet? What's the tip like on that one? From pics -Salt 1 looks pretty good too - thanks Yablonowitz
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The Phoenix has the reinforced style tip like the Police 3, and is thicker and more robust. The Phoenix is definitaly a tank of a knife, despite the "showy" looks.

Personally I agree with Yab on the tip. I never pry with my tips, never have need to. If I did I'd probably see it differently. I just don't find much need to pry things, and when I do I reach for my Swiss Army Knife, not my 100$+ Spyderco. I like tips and edge geometries designed to cut and poke with minimal effort. One of the things I like about my Military is the tip design. That said, the Police 3 has been working well for me with the factory tip. The Endura tip is much too thick for my needs though.
 
yablanowitz said:
The change is actually quite small, but it makes a huge difference in the appearance of the knife to me.
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Looks good. I don't mind the bumps on tips of various Spydercos but it does look better. Probably doesn't compromise strength all that much.
 
mark greenman said:
If they could make the knife look like that, but stay as strong, I would be all over it! Much nicer looking.

As for the reinforced tips, if you've ever lent a knife to a non-afi, you'll understand why they're there. The contractor working on my house was using my E4W to pry open the cap on my sink drain, then stab into the drain to remove the clog. Then he cut a 1 foot square out of the stucco and drywall ceiling to get access to a water pipe. The knife went from shaving sharp to unable to cut paper in about 5 minutes, yet the tip was unscathed. Keep up the tough tips!

-mark
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I do that sort of stuff with my S90V Military all the time. It doesn't have the nose wart and it hasn't broken yet. I honestly doubt the amount of change I'm talking about would have a significant effect on the strength of the tip.

Like I said in my first post in this thread, I know that hump is there for a good reason, but it still bugs the crap out of me. I guess that is the hazard of being an old slip joint user. I've carried and used a lot of knives with much finer tips without breaking them. It also helps to learn not to loan knives to idiots. ;)
 
I don't like the newer tips. I use knives like I'm supposed to use them and I have lanced blisters, and cut out splinters etc with very fine tips like what is on the original Delica and the Persian. The grind being lower to the edge and the blunted tip of the D4 / E4 is why I will not purchase anymore. If I want a Delica I always try to grab an older one off eBay.

I understand completely why Spyderco has done this to the tips but it's almost like punishing the good folks who use the knife right for the stupid things that idiots did.

Yab,
That tip looks TONS better.
 
David Lowry said:
I understand completely why Spyderco has done this to the tips but it's almost like punishing the good folks who use the knife right for the stupid things that idiots did.
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Have you tried using the new tips, or are you just going on appearance? After I reprofiled the edges on my Enduras and Delica, they dig and pierce just fine. Just as well as my old Enduras.
 
shangchi108 said:
Have you tried using the new tips, or are you just going on appearance? After I reprofiled the edges on my Enduras and Delica, they dig and pierce just fine. Just as well as my old Enduras.
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Yes I have, and I just don't like them. See why below.

I have owned 4 Delica 4's and 3 Endura 4's and sold them all.

I guess I'll have to quote myself again....

David Lowry said:
Hey Archman,

Yeah I agree. I have brought this up a number of times. I also do not like how on a majority of Delica 4's I've owned the grind on the back of the blade is further away from the hole than the front. This makes sharpening more difficult and therefore requires a re-bevel of the edge. The Delica 3 had the grind line up much higher which I like.

D3 blade in the D4 handle would be a WINNER. :)

I also do not understand why the SS Delica 4 has a hollow saber ground blade and the FRN models have a flat saber ground blade. I say put the hollow saber grind on all D4's.

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This was taken from one of my posts on the Spyderco company forum.

Of the D4's that I have almost all of them are about 1/8" or 5/16" below the hole. Of all the D3's that I have (or have had) the grind goes within like a millimeter or 1/16" of the hole. Some of my D4's just seem that they go from edge to full blade width in like about 3/8".

I only recently started noticing this because my PE D4 bound up cutting some cardboard. So I grab a new D4 right out of the box to see if maybe my current user is in need of sharpening, and it binds up too. Even though the Para-Military has a thicker blade it just rips right through without binding. Same with my SS Dragonfly (this goes without saying).
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I hadn't purchased a Spyderco for a while. I broke the tip off of my Endura back when they had the plastic clip. When they redesigned the tip I grabbed one the day they went on sale.

I prefer a tough knife over a cute one.
 
To each his own. I prefer using the right tool for the job rather than making do with the wrong one.

I still remember breaking a quarter inch off the tip of a Cold Steel Tanto back in the mid-eighties, and I wasn't even prying with it at the time. That tip made the reinforced Endura4 tip look fine by comparison, and it didn't help a bit. Thick, wide and tough, and it broke when I tried to punch a starter hole in 5/16" sheetrock. I figured out that my technique needed work, not the knife. I must have been right, because I managed to carry and use a BM 640 Mini-Spike for eight years without losing the tip.
 
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