Yes I meant the the stones were hitting the shoulder so if you looked down the knife you could see noticeable space between the surface of the stone and the edge( or grind) of the knife because the set angle was too acute for the shoulder, so yes like you said I'd have to grind down the shoulder to allow for the stones to start getting to the edge (finding this fairly frequent in thicker knives if you want to have a smaller inclusive bevel (I'm trying to hit around 35 inclusive for this particular knife), also, when measuring the sides, I noticed that when I get to the end to see how much of an angle change I'll have at the tip of the knife, the right side is showing a .4 degree difference at the tip than the left even when both angles are at 17.5 at the heel (so it looks like this on an angle cube, Left side at heel-17.5 at tip-18.35, Right side at heel-17.5, at tip 18.75) which suggests that the knife might be slightly off balance in the clamp but Ive configured it every which way possible and I end up with the tip on the right side always being more obtuse than the left, "sigh" they should really pack a more detailed manual with these things haha, thanks again for advice and patience with my slow learning ability it seems haha