New toy for mtngunr

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Pictures are worth 1000 words so will increase my vocabulary here by 749 words.

37" long...5 lbs and size of kid's BB gun, 10 rds of 255gr .45 Colt on tap at 1200fps, no dinky .22s for me even at 3Xs faster...and does not set off "evil black gun!!!" morons at viewing.

Semi-buckhorn rear and brass bead front acts as large peep ghost-ring sight for instant targeting, and points naturally enough that sights are superfluous this side of 25 yds....

Stashes easily in car or truck and there when needed...
.45 Colt...killing with ease what needed to be killed since 1873.....







 
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Yah....guess i should mention it the little M92 action always designed for what are considered modern pistol length cartridges....this gun (Rossi only) will handle loads up to 50,000psi and 260gr JHP @ 2000 fps if one is a glutton for punishment. But at my sedate velocities of 1200fps will still punch through hog and deer as if made of hot cheese and air, and suitable for all but largest critters in North America, while feeling as a popgun and allowing staying on target effortless...it already has that .45 cal frontal area most all expanding bullets dream of sustaining during complete transit of target...safe, simple, and effective, brought to you by Drs John Browning and Sam Colt...
 
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This the modern cheap Rossi made in Brazil since about 1970...they have it down...Taurus bought out Rossi handguns as well as US marketing rights while insisting the lawsuit repellant Taurus hammer lock as well as a wingnut firing pin lock on top of bolt be installed....Rossi upgraded factory with the cash influx and although the rifles rough around edges literally, they are good lookers and approaching old nice field grade Winchester (not made since 1937) looks....

Should be selling for more as Japanese guns branded Winchester are near $1000 and they have changed internals to where misfires or non-fires happen, likewise 1980-1990 Brownings in all respects including price, and now $1000 Italian imports made from softer steels and even cruder inside...the Rossi is 4140 and probably the best steel of the lot....same steel Ruger uses.

But the safeties keep the price way down and they can be shagged as this one was, for just over $400...i removed snag magnet safety on top which leaves a 1/4" new hole in top rear as a cutaway to allow viewing of firing pin motion, some folk sell plugs and peep sights which fill the hole...mine will stay as is and was blued.
....the hammer lock is unobtrusive and causes zero problems if ignored and will stay ignored...a VERY good gun for the money....most are problem-free and also easily tweaked if there is a problem and many people and homespun ways to really slick them up....mine is fine as is right out of box and will let it age naturally....a very good design by Browning which almost never breaks or wears out....

General fit and finish and wingnut/dingbat safety and safety removed....







 
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Nice rifle man, Im a huge fan of the lever actions, have a few myself. Rossi makes a pretty good rifle and it will serve you well for years. We have a few at my work and they move out pretty good. Enjoy it man
 
Awesome man just awesome! I love a good lever gun, they are light and compact. They were the tactical carbines of their day. The 45lc is one the best rounds ever made. Its nice having a rifle and pistol that can share ammo. Thanks for posting the pics. It is a masterpiece. I am looking for a good 1886 Winchester at a decent price but haven't found a good one yet.

Love that Rossi too. I had a Rossi Bulldog revolver for years and served me well. That is one handsome lever gun even if its a budget brand. The Japanese Howa/Browning versions are expensive but worth every penny.
 
I have had Miroku Browning and they have an internal firing pin block which can wear and make gun inop until removed while the new ones they make for GIAT or whoever owns the Winchester name now have rebounding hammers etc famous for not firing out of box...the Rossi is made as well as most any, lacking only more polish to visible internals and has superior steel...as a collectible Browning owner i felt as a moron for paying for something assumed was there that not....authenticity....the Rossi is quite faithful to original design....a big suprise to me...the others made major changes to internals, and in the Browning case, unsuspected until years later when gun quits...
 
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Oh yes... The Rossi name should be well respected. I know it was a "budget" brand in the 80's and 90's but I don't feel that's a safe description. The quality has always been there, their low cost as more to do with the South American exchange rate. The Swiss exchange rate is ridiculous. Some of their pistols sell for $500 locally but sell for $2500 once they make it to the states. The Saur brand which joined with Sig is a good example. Try finding a P210 for under a couple grand... Not gonna happen.

I have always been a Winchester man and will remain so. My hunting bolt action is a Winchester Model 70 feather weight in 280 Remington caliber. It's a pre64 controlled round feed action. It's as beautiful as it is functional.
 
I very much want to get one o the 16" .44 magnums, for all the same reasons+more ammo availability (and I already have dies). Nice score.
 
The 16" is far less likely to whack a door frame when carrying cradled in arm and with hands full... likewise in and out of auto...would help some in woods....but lose 100fps with that 4" shorter barrel...and i have to admit the front sight further away from my nose nowadays is preferable, otherwise feel as if trying to check shoelaces and target at same time, so after short debate went with 20"..

being a handloader and plenty of supplies, my ammo availability has always been better than any five big box stores combined and i have right bullet loaded for the job...that bullet being a 1:20 tin/lead 255gr flat base RN with very wide flat point, 8 Bnh and soft lube...it grabs rifling as it is bumped up by kick in pants with zero gas leak blowby, spins up and penetrates true with a lot of slap and rivets even larger diameter as it breaks things and keeps on going.
 
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Glad to see fellow reloaders out there. Not sure how reloads 45acp... I have a amazing target load that shoot soft and its uber accurate out of my 5in 1911.

210gr semi wadcutter
4.5 grains of bullseye powder
Federal primer.

Getting around 750fps, it feels like a 38 special going off and I didn't need to modify my recoil spring. Its a great load for steel plates in informal matches were power factors don't come into play. Its also a great paper punching load. I am sure the 45lc will do good with that load.
 
The load i am using is essentially a target load for the caliber, would be lucky to break 900fps in a handgun and a popgun in a rifle which may be light for a rifle but still twice the weight of a single action...just free extra added zip without boosting the powder consumption....that bullet at that 1200fps out of my handguns has dropped more hog and deer than i could remember...tickled to get that for free with standard handgun load out of the Red Ryder.

You might be more like 825 fps with that load....depends on gun/brass/neck tension/high today in Bophuthatswana/etc..
 
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How are yall measuringfps? Pardon my gross ignoramous please. Are you just calculating it based on powder charge etc? Hi speed camera? Yall are having way too much fun:D
 
Folks at my local range uses chronographs. You can get something working OK under 200$
 
Pretty pretty pretty. One of my absolute favorite rifles of all time was one of these I used to own in 38/357. Just incredibly smooth action and accurate as it needs to be.

Had to sell it a while back because I got a ridiculous offer for it. Almost twice what I paid. I really need to consider getting another one soon though. I miss taking it out shooting.
 
You might consider a .45 Colt next time around, IF you handload or don't choke at prices...i only fit the first catagory....the charms are amazing effectivity at half the pressure and recoil of a .44 mag and far lower pressure than .357..

Compared below are all well worn specimens that show within a thousandth or two numerous popular chamberings of carbines and handguns...right to left would be .22/.223/5.56mm...38/.357/9mm....and .452/11.5mm....picture sez it all.

 
How are yall measuringfps? Pardon my gross ignoramous please. Are you just calculating it based on powder charge etc? Hi speed camera? Yall are having way too much fun:D

You can currently buy a chronograph for $70-$100....cheap way to verify expected results and also tell much as to pressures inside gun.....
 
I use a chronograph to determine FPS. You shoot through two plastic triangles around 10 feet in front of the muzzle. They are really inexpensive now compared to a decade ago. I totally agree with mntgunr.. The 45lc cartridge is in my top 3 calibers of choice. Some black powder revolvers like the Remington 1885 can be easily converted to 45lc by purchasing a new cylinder. No paperwork needed, have the 1885 shipped to your house no FFL needed due to its black powder operation. The conversion cylinder can be shipped without paper work either. A nice single action 45lc for under $400 with no paperwork is a winner in my book!
 
The cylinders alone are near $300 and frames only for 16,000 psi loads....or used to say just buy a Ruger Old Army, but since Bill died and bean counters dropped his favorite gun, prices have zoomed up...maybe even more than Italian high-lead steel Remington plus conversion cylinder....ok...STILL buy the Old Army....
 
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