New Wave for sale at Cold Steal website! I'm not talking music!

[STR]

It is an axis lock. I read on the BM forum that CS now pays a royalty to BM for that lock. Something to the effect that they lost in court as I recall. Wish I could find that write up now though.

STR

 

[Bob W]

It is an axis lock. I read on the BM forum that CS now pays a royalty to BM for that lock. Something to the effect that they lost in court as I recall. Wish I could find that write up now though.

Thanks for the info; I'd never heard that, probably because I don't follow Cold Steel "news" much. A royalty sounds fair, but it's a shame that it wasn't negotiated ahead of time and it took a court case to settle the issue.

-Bob

 

[Keith Montgomery]

So, when you referred to the company as Cold Steal, was that done on purpose?

The actual on-line selling price of the Talwar will be from $250.00 to $300.00. Still too high for that knife, but unlike many, I like the design.

 

[thebladeguy]

They also have a new DVD "solid proof" Anybody seen it? Are the test a little more exciting. I ordered one but it won't be here for a few weeks.

TBG

 

[buckg]

Well guys, Ermersons patent states:

Preferably, the projection is formed integrally with the blade, having side surfaces coplanar with the blade and has a hook-like shape with the tip of the hook extending toward the blade tip. A releasable locking means is preferably provided to lock the blade in the open position until the locking means is unlocked to permit manually folding the blade into the handle. ​

As you can see from the pictures of the CS AK-47, the thumb disk is not integral with the blade, isn't coplanar with the blade, and doesn't have a hook-like shape. It is significantly wider than Emerson's "wave" projection and may very well be an improvement over Ermerson's design as a result. The patent process is not intended to hinder inovation, but rather it is intended to promote it. Stop whining guys. If Emerson feels robbed, let him send a lawyer to knock on Lynn's door. Until that happens (and I don't think it's going to because the case is pretty weak, i.e. no patent violation), y'all should give it a rest. I feel like buying one these ugly things just to tick y'all off.

 

[Cyblade]

they want 119.00 for thier urban dart which is made from aus8 http://www.coldsteel.com/53jd.html

I cant see them saleing alot of the new line of knives for what they are trying to charge. I hope when our favorite online shops get them they are abit cheaper cause I wanted to get a couple of them.

 

[chris in mo]

and may very well be an improvement over Ermerson's design as a result. QUOTE]


Uhhhh yeah that is what it is.......:barf:

 

[The Buffoon]

It says in the add on the CS site that the thumb plate is 'patented'. I have to wonder if they mean it is patented alright but not by them (but by Ernie) or if they actually are just telling a bold faced lie in the hopes that it will keep people from taking them to court.

I've searched the patent office web site till I'm blue in the face looking for this patent by Cold Steel and I can't find it but I've found the Wave, as well as several lock and opening devices of Spyderco (Sal) and others but nothing on this "thumb plate".

If any of you guys can find it post the patent number.

STR

Ok, here's the skinny...........That EXACT design was a knife by Andrew Demko last year at Blade. Ernie and several other people talked to him about it, and when they were done, it was basically a non-issue. LT, however, saw the knives, and the rest is history. CS's "Wave" knives are basically a copy of the Demko knives (which are very stout knives by the way). It's actually a DOUBLE rip off.........Both Emerson and Demko. That makes'em ever worse!

E

 

[sak_collector]

The idea was probably Emersons original idea, but I would like to know just how many companies and makers pay royalties to everybody whose designs they use. I think it was Terzuola that came up with the disk opener as the alternative to the Spydee hole, and both of those ideas are used by a lot of folks...do they all pay royalties?

The wave concept is just one of many ideas that will most likely end up on many knives in the future, just like the hole/disk/peg, clips, spydees serration pattern, liner-locks and so on.

That being said, those new Cold Steels are some of the ugliest knives I have ever seen.

 

[The Buffoon]

The idea was probably Emersons original idea, but I would like to know just how many companies and makers pay royalties to everybody whose designs they use. I think it was Terzuola that came up with the disk opener as the alternative to the Spydee hole, and both of those ideas are used by a lot of folks...do they all pay royalties?

The wave concept is just one of many ideas that will most likely end up on many knives in the future, just like the hole/disk/peg, clips, spydees serration pattern, liner-locks and so on.

That being said, those new Cold Steels are some of the ugliest knives I have ever seen.

True........But.............Spyderco keeps a tight leash on the Spydie hole. I don't know whether or not Bob ever did anything with the thumb disk. Remember, however, that the Wave is patented, so if somebody wants to use it, they've gotta license it from Ernie (like Spyderco did recently), otherwise, there could be legal reprocutions.

E

 

[sak_collector]

I understand what you are saying. Im not concerned whether or not ALL the "borrowed" ideas were under patent or not. Its a moral issue as well. Does it make it 'more right' to use a feature just because there was no patent? Legal or not, there are still ethics that should be considered.

How many people use the frame-lock and no mention of who they borrowed the idea from. Personally I think Cold Steels wave feature should be avoided on moral grounds...not to mention the abortion of a knife they stuck it on.

 

[The Buffoon]

I understand what you are saying. Im not concerned whether or not ALL the "borrowed" ideas were under patent or not. Its a moral issue as well. Does it make it 'more right' to use a feature just because there was no patent? Legal or not, there are still ethics that should be considered.

How many people use the frame-lock and no mention of who they borrowed the idea from. Personally I think Cold Steels wave feature should be avoided on moral grounds...not to mention the abortion of a knife they stuck it on.

No, I totally agree with you. I make knives, and I wouldn't ever just take someones idea. In the past, I've asked makers if I could use a concept of theirs. If they said yes, I went with it. If they said no, I respected their wishes. There is definately a moral line one draws in a situation like this.

E

 

[sak_collector]

Thats good that you take that stance in regards to your knives, shows good values.

Anyways, since this thread has to do with CS, I just think its ashame the way they have gone over the years in general. In the early days, they made good knives (SRK, Trailmaster and such) and they have gone to using so much hype, silly marketing and rip-off designs and plenty of cheap crap. It would be nice to see the old CS rise again.

 

[The Buffoon]

Thats good that you take that stance in regards to your knives, shows good values.

Anyways, since this thread has to do with CS, I just think its ashame the way they have gone over the years in general. In the early days, they made good knives (SRK, Trailmaster and such) and they have gone to using so much hype, silly marketing and rip-off designs and plenty of cheap crap. It would be nice to see the old CS rise again.

I have an old SRK (from when they frist came out). It's still a great knife. Too bad CS isn't still like that.

E

 

[Jubei]

I feel like buying one these ugly things just to tick y'all off.

So you will have spent your presumably hard-earned money on an ugly, over-hyped, pseudo-ripoff of a knife to teach us a lesson. I tell you what, why don't you buy 2 of them and really show us what for. Boy, that'll teach me.

Jubei

 

[buckg]

So you will have spent your presumably hard-earned money on an ugly, over-hyped, pseudo-ripoff of a knife to teach us a lesson. I tell you what, why don't you buy 2 of them and really show us what for. Boy, that'll teach me.

Jubei

Ok you got me there.

I've got better things to drop $100 on than that fugly thing.

 

[razorsdescent]

I think CS is on to something.

Have some more or less normal knife manufactured at Seki or other overseas place, the _hype the hell out of them_ and price them 5 times higher then what we would normally expect as MSRP. All you need is a gullible audience of 12 year olds, you wouldn't have to sell as many because of the extreme profits you're making. Keeps you inventory and shipping costs down.

Just think if it was a black coating, add probably $200 to the price right there.

I was 16 when i bought an SRK and i still like it, but your right. Now that ive handled a Dalton auto, The idea of throwing any amount of money towards a cold steel product seems ridiculously stupid. for the money youd spend on either of those you could get 2 Daltons, A busse combat, or a strider. Not to mention an emerson from which the design is ripped from in the first place.

Who the F**K sells a knock off for more than the price of the original?:thumbdn: