Newbie first knife advice

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Figured I should go ahead and post this. Don't know why I'm so nervous about it.:)

First, I'd like to say thanks to all of you. I've been lurking for a while and learned quite a bit. I appreciate you all taking your time to give all this great information and help people like me.

I don't plan on being a knifemaker or even a hobbyist. I just want to make a couple of knives for personal use. I do this for lots of things. I think it is good experience and helps me understand and appreciate it more. I'll be using all hand tools (complicated reasons involving living in an apartment). I'll also be sending them out for heat treat.
I decided to use O1. It seems to have a good compromise between the different properties. These will be knives for the outdoors. I guess you could say they're bushcraft knives, but I hate to use that term because it has become such a gimmick.

The first knife will be my EDC. 3-3/4" cutting edge, 8" overall, 1/8" thick and 1-1/2" wide with a scandi grind. I'm not sure how small to go on the angle. If I make the edge grind 1/2" (double what the pic shows) the angle comes to about 14.25 degrees overall. Is that too small? What does a Mora usually run?

The second knife will be a heavier duty knife, probably not used very often. 5" blade, 9" overall, 3/16" thick and 2" wide with a convex grind. While I don't believe in batoning, this will be capable of it, as well as using for prying. I planned on having a single bevel like a scandi. This would leave it 3/16" all the way down to the convex edge. It would basically be a big hunk of steel with a sharp edge. It doesn't have to be razor sharp. I don't know if this is practical.
The third knife shown is just a 5-1/2" version of the second knife. I noticed that at 5" it seems a little stubby. But at 5-1/2" it almost seems too long. I don't need a huge knife.

After designing the larger knife I noticed it looks like a butcher knife. Well, the old-timers used a butcher knife, so why not?
The 2 knives will have the same handle so both will feel the same in my hand. I've built a model out of cardboard so I know it is comfortable for me.

After looking at the specs for A2 I noticed it has far greater edge retention. I also understand it might have more of an issue with edge roll. Would A2 be a better choice for a bushcraft knife?

Anyway, here is the pic. Sorry about the quality.
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Wow! So many posts I got pushed to page 3. At least I hope that's what happened.
Summary:
1) Do you see anything wrong with the above designs for bushcraft knives?
2) Do you think the 5" or 5-1/2" version of the large knife would be better?
3) Anything wrong with the larger knife not having a secondary bevel?
4) Does A2 have worse edge rolling than O1? Is A2 easier to work with?
5) Know anyone in Eastern WA who can heat treat for me?
 
The top one looks kind of like a butcher knife, the bottom two resemble, to a certain extent, cleavers. Are they to scale? You do not gain any cutting ability with a blade that is 1.5" inches wide using a scandi grind. My Moras have 20-24 degree angle inclusive with most having a micro secondary bevel. An outdoor knife is often used to clean fish and game. I find that a thin 1/2", pointier full flat grind works best for me. I'd have the width of the blades from 3/4" or less to 1 1/4" and start your thickness of steel at 3/32" and go up to 3/16". Any of the popular steels, given a good heat treatment, will make a good to excellent outdoor knife. There are a couple of smiths in the area who give classes in knife making.
 
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1) Do you see anything wrong with the above designs for bushcraft knives? I like the first, looks pretty good
2) Do you think the 5" or 5-1/2" version of the large knife would be better? 5 5.5, use your cutout and see what is comfortable for you, handle looks a little short and fat, but if comfortable its good
3) Anything wrong with the larger knife not having a secondary bevel? it will chop but not be a real cutter, I like a full flat grind
4) Does A2 have worse edge rolling than O1? Is A2 easier to work with? A2 has a little chrome which resists corrosion, otherwise like O1, texasknifemakersupply can do the HT.


Here is a big chopper is A2

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5) Know anyone in Eastern WA who can heat treat for me?
 
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