newbie intro and article request

I went grocery shopping today and picked up the aforementioned edition of Inside Kung Fu.

I just finished reading it cover to cover and would be more than glad to send it over to Ireland.

Question: what kind of postage charge am I looking at?

-Dave

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Yvsa wrote -

"Tom is there anything else that you can remember from the Bronze Machaera in the museum? Like thickness, weight, length, thickness, width of blade? The condition of it and the handle material, if any, would be interestng also."

If Alan can come up with first-hand measurements &c, that'd be great. It's at least 10 yers since I actually saw the thing myself.

As regards the handle; the amazing thing about it is the hilts; two horns, above and below the grip, curving in towards each other - a bit like a US cavalry saber hilt, flattened, and with a bite taken out in the middle. The top horn is shaped like a bird's head. The grip is full tang, with scales originally rivetted on; the rivets are still there but the scales (presumably wood, bone or horn) have long since rotted away.

When a local smith made a copy of this machaera for me (from 5160 steel) he forged the horns integral with the blade, a wonderful piece of work. The hilt took him longer than the rest of the sword put together!

The nearest blade in terms of construction and dimensions to a Bronze Age type that I've come across is the so-called khyber knife, which has a very thin blade reinforced by a T-rib along the spine. It's very light and fast and cuts well, but of course it stops dead in the cut once you reach the spine. It feels very different in use to most other blades, and my guess is that it handles like a Bronze Age weapon.
 
You still out there Alan?

Is anyone still interested in being sent a copy of the magazine?

-Dave

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Wow!

That is so cool.

And to think I'll be moving back to Phoenix in only two more weeks!

Maybe I'll be the first neo-tribal kami!

-Dave

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:
Tom that sounds like one nice tool that you had made.
I have one of the A.C. Kyhber knife's that I will be sending to Rusty sometime next week. It is 24" long and the point is very fast!!! If that feels similar to what a bronze age weapon may have felt then I am much more in awe about the people of that era and their metal work! The bronze age weapons must have been even more fearsome than I could ever imagine. I have been told by some very knowledgeable people that our imaginations protect us. Perhaps that's for the
best.
Seeing the work Rusty has done on the little villager he sent me he should have no problem taking the knife to better than it is.
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Rusty:
Tim Lively the creator of that site invited me there after I poste to one of his posts in the Bladeshop talk forum and we exchanges some e-mals. Tim is a great guy and is very willing to help people. He sent me the plans to a clay forge that I hope to build sometime this summer.

Dave:
We have 2 daughters in Phoenix and were gonna be there in August. Perhaps we can meet before we all go to Reno if you're still there.
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That would be great.

Maybe we could go skeet shooting together!

-Dave

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The Neo-Tribal Forum

http://pub4.ezboard.com/btheneotribalmetalsmiths.html

Yvsa found these guys. Are they the ones you referred to as the "stone-age" people, Kai?

Hi Rusty,

these guys do seem more "postmodern" to me but this is only from a short glance...
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My own contacts with those "stone age" folks I alluded to date back about 20 years (in northern Germany) and they were seriously interested in researching the ancient craftmanship of making all those diverse tools from stones (and other materials). With some experience it is not a big deal to make some of the more simple tools but it is actually an art to be able to make faithful "replicas" of the more advanced tools - that essentially means they had to reinvent stone age technology which was really sophisticated indeed. And even with all the information available today there are only very few people who excell at crafting those stone tools - if you don't have the "knack", all modern technology wouldn't help you to actually make these little wonders. It is this (longtime) hands-on experience and "feel" for the material which makes a gifted kami (of whatever persuasion
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Best wishes,
kai
 
Dave:

Yes I am still out here, but I've been doing some research.

I'd be most grateful if you sent on the magazine. I guess a couple of dollars postage only.

Tom:

As I said I have been doing some research in reply to your queries about antecedents to the kopis. As a weapon the kopis is not shown in Greek art earlier than around 510 BC, after which it is shown frequently, and alongside the more typical leaf-bladed two-edged Greek hoplite sword.
Cleavers however, are to be found in Greek tombs as far back as the Mycenae Shaft Graves (1500 BC). Around 1200-1000 BC a whole variety of new and imaginative knife and sword designs suddenly emerges. This was the end of the Bronze Age and a time of great cultural upheaval, which seems to have stimulated metal and weapons technology. So far I have found a several kopis-like cleavers, and a number of incurving long knives, including one which is almost sirupati-shaped. (Boy, was I surprised to find that!). It was offered in a cave sanctuary on Crete, possibly around 1350 BC. The blade is straight with the full-tang handle, but suddenly curves down about 2/3 the way to the point. The blade profile is quite slender with a gentle recurve and slightly lifts to the point. With a full tang it is 21.1 cms long.
More details will follow when I have been able to do some more work.

As for the transmission of the kopis/machaera to become the khukuri: I haven't yet had time to do any work there, but my Roman colleagues have suggested I look at Sarmatian graves. The Sarmatians are ancestors to the Uighurs.

Again more will follow.
 
The mag is in the mail.

It was 2 bucks to ship if you wanted to wait a month, or 5 bucks for 7 to 10 days, so I chose the faster option, IKF being a monthly periodical and all.

Still, this is the US postal service we're talking about. Hopefully, the magazine will indeed reach the republic. Let me know when (and if) you receive it so we can see how long it took.

Enjoy!

-Dave

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TQ Vampire Hunter D & Alan for Ba Gua Zang site. What surprised me is that the 3 sample techniques given (in the last site in Vamp's posting) are actually exist in Malaysian/Indonesian Silat! Even the sitting position is also the same one practices in Silat (we called it as DEPROK position)!

NEPAL HO!
 
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