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Jose_Yoshiharu

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Hi
im new in this forum
forgive me cause my english so crap
cause its not my first langguage


Just want to ask some advise from u guys

im planning to get one of that Multi Purpose Tools or Multitools (anyone know the difference?)

Im thinking, do swiss army knife such as Victorinos Swiss Cham Xlt included in this Multitools category or not?

http://www.swissarmy.com/cgi-bin/Ms...=12386560&query=swisschamp&hiword=swisschamp+

which one do u guys think better
multitools such as that swisschamp or the one such as swisstool?

http://www.swissarmy.com/MultiTools/Product.htm?category=swisstool&product=53936&

for me personally i prefer the swisstool one
because in my opinion it looks more robust and rigid and strong enough for hard core activity

i have fliped trough this forum to look for the best multitools, but i havent found one yet.
thats why can someone give my any suggestion which one i should get
which brand is the best? gereber,sog, letherman etc.

i will use it mainly to fix everything and i will use it for daily use
so i need the one that has lots of features but still small enough to fit in my pocket

thx a lot in advance

Please please please please please please please please please
help me

im so confuseeee
 
Hello and welcome to the forums! =)

For your questions, it depends on your perceived usage and preference. The XLT as well as the other Swiss Army Knives (SAKs) are in fact considered multi-tools because they are just that. They mostly offer multiple tools to do several functions.

If you see yourself using/needing strong pliers most of the time, go for a SwissTool /X/CS/RS or the smaller ST Spirit. If you see yourself needing more tools/implements than what is available on the SwissTools then get the Swisschamp or XLT.

I'd suggest making a list of the tools you'd most likely be using on a regular basis and start choosing the right multi-tool you need from there.

Just my 2 cents. =)
 
Everyone has their own opinion about which is "the best", and in my opinion, the Victorinox SwissTool is #1.
 
Wah thx a lot

which one do you think is stronger and well built?
the one such as swiss champ or swisstool?
because i used to have the old SAK the one similar to swisschamp but smaller

i think its not strong enough compare to swiss tool
because the side part (the red part) made from plastic not from metal
 
can someone give me the list of multitools brand?

because i only know some
SOG, SAK, Leatherman, Gerber

does victorinox better built than Leatherman?
 
Welcome to the forum my friend, I cante tell you so much about the Swisstool Spirit that I will never end my writing, there are so many reasons, but I can recomend you the Swisstool Spirit.

Yes Victorinox is better than Leatherman!
 
Welcome to BladeForums!

I think "multi purpose tool" and multitool" mean the same thing. "Multitool" is the more common term. Knives like the SwissChamp do in fact fall under the category of multitool although they are generally referred to as Swiss Army knives (SAK).

I would advise you to think about how much you are going to be using the pliers. They are what really set pliers-based multitools like Leatherman tools and the SwissTool apart from SAKs. SAK pliers are are small and built for light use. They are limited in their ability to grip, squeeze and cut wire. Pliers-based multitools, on the other hand, will do just about anything that a dedicated pair of pliers will do. They are better for hard use due to their robust construction and the fact that many models have all locking tools.

Leatherman and Victorinox multitools both enjoy a good reputation. I have never owned a SwissTool. I have used a Leatherman PST for many years and can vouch for its quality. Although it's outdated, I don't have an urge to replace it. It only comes out when I need pliers. The rest of the time, I find SAKs more convenient because the tools can be opened and closed quickly.

If you want to cover all the bases, get a pliers-based multitool AND a SAK. Then you can see for yourself which one gets more pocket time. You can sell the one that you don't want later or keep it for a backup.
 
Jose_Yoshiharu, welcome to Blade Forums!
I have done some research and posted some threads and polls. Most people seem to lean towards the Vitorinox Spirit. I haven't handled one yet myself, but from what I have read from others is that the quality is a step above a Leatherman, and it is a nice size. This is all I can contribute.

Stay sharp!
DH
 
wew thx for the help

now i understand
so in finishing and better build
victorinox win

how about features?
is there any other brand i should consider beside vctorinox and leatherman?
 
Leatherman, Victorinox, Gerber and SOG all make quality multitools – which one is “best” is going to boil down to personal preference.


My current favorite full sized multitool is the Leatherman Core (although this may change when I try the new Surge). The Core has very comfortable handles, excellent tools (especially the hollow ground screwdrivers) that don’t clump.


Before the Core came out, the Victorinox SwissTool was my favorite full sized multitool. With the exception of the screw drivers, the SwissTool’s components are very nice (especially the exclusive wood chisel) and open from the outside of the handles without clumping. The SwissTool’s down sides are the pliers which are smaller than the others and are very hard to flick open with one hand. And the slippery flathead screwdrivers are slippery and the Phillips is near useless.


I consider the SOG PowerLock, Gerber Diesel and the (now discontinued) Leatherman Super Tool 200 to be about equal.


The PowerLock has the heaviest duty pliers/wire cutters with exclusive compound leverage gear teeth. On the down side the PowerLock’s tools clump and are not that great, the handles wings are a pain to open and close each time you want to get to the tools and the handles are uncomfortable without them. Worst of all – the gear teeth dig into your hand when using most of the tools.


The Diesel’s is the pliers that are easy to flick open with one hand (although it is not difficult to flick open the PowerLock and Core). The Gerbers are fairly light weight but bulky. None of the tools clump but most are only average in quality and design – generally better than SOG but not as good as Leatherman and Victorinox.


The Super Tool 200 is a very nice tool (although not quite as nice as the Core) which has comfortable handles and very good tool components. The disadvantages of the ST 200 are tool clumping and the levers used to unlock the tools (bulky, difficult to use and they rattle!).


For a multitool that is a bit lighter weight/more compact, I like the latest version of the Leatherman Wave and the Charge (basically the same tool with a 154CM plain edged blade and titanium handles). The one hand opening blades are very handy if you don’t carry a another one hand opening knife


BTW here’s a comparison of the SwissTool, PowerLock and Super Tool 200 that I posted some time ago:


www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=275546






- Frank
 
Wew that review is awesome

thx a lot frank

so can i conclude that
Leatherman and Swiss Army are on different level compare to other brand???
so i just have choose between those 2 brand?

anyone has swisstool spirit and leatherman charge?
can you give me any comparison bout that one?
thx
 
I think that the Leatherman, Victorinox, Gerber and SOG tools are all worth considering.


The PowerLock is great if you are cutting wire or doing heavy work with the pliers, but the tools in the handles are not very good, hard to access, and the gear teeth will tear up your hand if you use them a lot.


The Gerber Diesel is nice if you use the pliers a lot for lighter duty jobs since they are the easiest to flick open but some of the tools are not that good (although generally better than SOG’s).


The SwissTool is great if you like Victorinox SAKs and if you use the tools in the handles more than the pliers. The SwissTools components are high quality (except for the lousy screw drivers) and are very easy to access without having to unfold the handles. The disadvantage is that the Swisstool’s pliers are small and not truly needle nosed.



The Super Tool 200 is a great all around multitool – good pliers and good tools. The Super Tool’s big disadvantage was the cumbersome levers used to unlock the tools. The Core has corrected this using a different lock (a lot like the PowerLock’s) and has also other improvements (such as the excellent hollow ground screwdrivers).





- Frank
 
OK than thx frank
i have decided to narrow down my options to just 2 brands

Leatherman and Victorinox

i use the pliers occasionaly, so victorinox is going ahead
can someone show me what's wrong with victorinox screwdriver?because i use screwdriver a lot
thx
:)
 
Victorinox plates its tools so they are slippery and the edges of the screw driver tips are rounded. The flat head screw drivers can be improved by removing the plating from the tips and squaring the edges with a file and/or a wet stone.


The SwissTool’s Phillips is not only plated but cut from a flat stamping instead of a round on so it slips very easily on any screw that is remotely tight.

If you use the screw drivers a lot I, would get the Core instead of the SwissTool - the Core's screwdrivers are much better. If you do go with the SwissTool, get the Plus version that comes with a bit driver.


BTW here’s an excellent review of the SwissTool by Doug Ritter:

http://www.equipped.org/swisstoo.htm


…and here’s Doug’s review of the Charge & new Wave:

http://www.equipped.org/lm_charge-wave.htm




- Frank
 
Wow thx a lot to frank
sory if im mistaken(cause again my english is rubish) so you mean that the original swisstool screwdriver has only one size?

can some one tell me, what's the difference between the original swisstool with swisstool X, RS, CS PLUS?????
 
Jose_Yoshiharu said:
Wow thx a lot to frank
sory if im mistaken(cause again my english is rubish) so you mean that the original swisstool screwdriver has only one size?

can some one tell me, what's the difference between the original swisstool with swisstool X, RS, CS PLUS?????
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Swisstool X:
Includes Scissors instead of the file.

Swisstool RS:
Includes a rounded and serrated second blade instead of the file.

Swisstool CS:
A normal Swisstool but includes the Cork Screw and the swisstool has the holes to put and use it. CS means Cork screw, Plus is the kit that includes the 1/4 bits and a the ratchet to use it.

If you will decide to buy a Victorinox multitiool, my recomendation will be the Swisstool spirit or the Swisstool X, you can decide of you need the plus or not.

Tango44
 
I'd go with a Leatherman Wave or Charge, handy one-handed blade deployment, firmly grips screws, great pliers. Leatherman is just a cut above Victorinox IMO.
 
Swisstool X:
Includes Scissors instead of the file.
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A slight correction here, the SwissTool X includes scissors which take the place of the serrated blade on the regular SwissTool. SwissTool X still has the file. =)
 
I have a Swisstool RS and a Spirit , i sold all my Leathermans . Its simple really , RS for heavy duty SHTF and spirit for lightweight casual use .Thats all i need from my multitools and is the best set up for me after about 10 years with different combos and tools .

Dunc
 
Jose_Yoshiharu said:
does victorinox better built than Leatherman?
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Now there is a loaded question! And the answer you will get largely depends on brand loyalty. Some even choose it simply because Leatherman is a US company (although there is some debate about what parts are actually made in the US). Some even go against Leatherman simply because of the political stance he took in the last election (for me not a good reason to disregard a tool).

I am a Victorinox man myself.

I choose Victorinox over Leatherman any day of the week because Victorinox is simply a much higher quality product; more robust and has a considerably better fit and finish.

Leatherman has some more inovative features, but they don't always fit well into the tool.


frank k said:
The SwissTools components are high quality (except for the lousy screw drivers)
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I have seen many have an issue with this, but I have never found using the Victorinox screwdrivers a problem. In fact I prefer the the polished roundedness of their screwdrivers as it leads to less nicks and cuts if you slip when using and is more comfortable to handle. Each to his own I guess.
 
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