Newbie needs a CC knife.

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SFOD-D LoneWolf

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I'm new so don't flame me if I posted this in the wrong place :)


I need a new knife, my EDC companion for the past 2years has been the Victorinox Trailmaster, and while I still use it today, I'm in need of a Concealed Cary Defense knife. I've been looking into the MoD Scorpion serrated, any opinions? Or should I get a bigger fixed blade? Since I just moved to Italy, Rome I do not know the laws regarding knives, anyone have some info? (and is the law different for the Diplomatic Corpus?)

Thanks guys.
 
please see my post regarding your other question. In your specific case i would carry a , foldng knife a can of O.C. spray and a handgun. Knives are messy, close combat weapons. Even when confronted by an armed assailant shooting them is considered more appropriate them stabbing the assailant numerous times to death. Knives are not considered a good mean of first line defense, they are last resort survival tools
 
Mongo-man said:
please see my post regarding your other question. In your specific case i would carry a , foldng knife a can of O.C. spray and a handgun. Knives are messy, close combat weapons. Even when confronted by an armed assailant shooting them is considered more appropriate them stabbing the assailant numerous times to death. Knives are not considered a good mean of first line defense, they are last resort survival tools
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Don't forget the bolt action rifle, mini-gun, flamethower, grenade launcher, katana, grenade belt, landmines, full tool set, pocket computer, cell phone and boondoggle keychain!
 
Welcome to Bladeforums!

One of our members is a lawyer working in Italy -- Nathan S. His input will be worth more than the all the rest of us put together! :)

You will have to follow the law, especially in the Diplomatic Corps, since violations will not only annoy the Italians, but may even lose you your job. Still, as they say, better be judged by twelve than carried by six.

Knives are appropriate last-ditch, close-combat protection, but that's not saying much. Alertness and training are critical. The particular knife you may fall back on is not.

The best knife for self-defense is a knife you are familiar enough with to reach for automatically and use with confidence. That means your EDC utility knife. One-hand opening, pocket clip for quick access, good lock.
 
Sounds like you need a Spyderco Civilian. Remember this guy may or may not have knife fighting skills and needs a no duh weapon. He also requested a Defensive knife. That is what this knife is made for. Also in a court of law it is easier to prove that you were slashing to get away from the assailant with this knife. You can't stab with it.
 
Thanks guys!

I know a little about hand-to-hand and knife handling :)

Since I can legaly cary a knife, should I invest in something larger? Or stick with the Scorpion? Also, will the Scorpion fall out of it's sheath when I jog, jump around and all that?
 
I still honestly think you would do MUCH more damage with the Spyderco Civilian.
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That blade is just BEGGING for man flesh..... I used to carry one for SD, but lost it. I may get one again someday.
 
True, that thing looks really dangerous and capable of inflicting some damage :) But I need something that could double as a tactical knife (rope cutting, tough blade, possibly rescue including window smashing, prying) and as an EDC (opening up boxes, etc) and I've been looking into the MoD range most, as I can get them easily. (easier than Spyderco)

Any candidates?
Thanks,
Mike

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Most important, I need to carry it on me in the most discreet way possible, it does'nt have to be comfy :) (Concealed Carry)
 
SFOD-D LoneWolf said:
I've been looking into the MoD range most, as I can get them easily.
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I keep a MOD CQD and a CQD Mark II by the front door, depending if i want a bigger knife or something lighter.

They're my back-up knives, in case I don't feel like deciding which EDC to walk around with that day :) At night, I generally put one in my back rightside pocket if the knife I'm already carrying is only a gentleman's knife or a SAK.

The Mark II is much more compact than the original CQD, but it doesn't give up much in blade length, 3.25" to 3.75". That's compared to a handle of 4.5" to 5.75".
 
Welcome to the party! Always good to get some new blood in the forums.

I'll give you my two choices. One is a regular knife the other an auto.

The first is the Spyderco Rescue. It doesn't have a pointy stabbing type blade (the Military model does) but it has a very large cutting surface and is used by lots of folks in the emergency business. It was recommended by a local fireman friend of mine.

It comes in a couple of different sizes. There is a similar knife called a "Salt" that has a corrosion proof steel.

http://spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=72

The second is a Microtech MSE-SC. It's an auto with a window breaking button and a built-in web belt (seat belt) cutter. You can cut a belt without ever opening up the knife. Again used by some fireman friends.

http://www.1sks.com/store/microtech-mini-socom-elite-automatic-seatbelt-cutter.html

Did you get the local rules for knife carry? Are they really strict over there or pretty easy going?
 
According to messermagazin knifes are not allowed to carry in italian cities regardless of length. At least unless you will have reasonable justification for carrying a knife (for example gone fishing ;) ). Also it is not allowed to have the knife in a car within hand reach. It should be packed in trunk or a backpack.

But this is the law. Italian people aren't very strict or nervous. I haven't heard about any knife caused troubles in Italy. I used to travel a lot and always had a knife with me with exception of Great Britain which is a different story.

I'd advise you to buy a tactical folder within range of 100$ and to carry it. For example Benchmade 520, 732, 710 or Spyderco Manix, Milie, Chinook and lots more. Fixed blades are far more usable for SD but folders are perceived as less lethal then even smallest fixed blade. And do not treat it as a SD knife but EDC knife. Buy a pepper spray, the Stinger or both. And do not use your folder for prying ;) buy a crowbar also.
 
SFOD-D LoneWolf said:
Thank you all for the input and the welcome!

lukaszki: (....)messermagazin may not have adressed the cituation of diplomats, but thank you.

I've been looking into the MOD Razorback, since it's pretty cheap, but the handle looks like from a kitchen knife :P Can you CC it? If so, how?
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oh that's a different story. I guess being diplomat you may carry almost everything ;) But I wouldn't advise the Razorback. Its too small for me and its aluminum handle doesn't provide good grip. I would prefer something like Spyderco Perrin. IMHO it is a great SD fixed blade, light, shallow and compact but with grippy handle and long (5") blade, great slasher. Not longer in production but I'm sure you find lots of them on ebay.
 
Sounds nice, but the max blade length I am looking for is about 4inches. (10CM, since that length is OK in EU countries, and I will travel alot, also by car, so a knife incase of a jacking sounds greeeat to me)

If the Razorback had WingWalk on the handle, I'd rate it 10/10. A collector friend told me that it's the toughest knife I can get for that price, and the most capable.

Sooo, how's the CC part of the Razorback?

Thanks,
Mike
 
SFOD-D LoneWolf said:
(...)A collector friend told me that it's the toughest knife I can get for that price, and the most capable.

Sooo, how's the CC part of the Razorback?

Thanks,
Mike
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but not much usable. Just my opinion. Razorback is designed for one purpose - stabbing. And I want to have a knife for cutting. Also I don't think like having a knife for SD purposes only is a good idea.

CC? As far as we talking about IWB position, almost every knife with 4" blade can be easy concealed. And Spyderco Perrin is not larger then everage 4" blade knife. Also you can look at Benchmade Nimravus (4,5" blade) or Nimravus Cub (3,5" but no longer in production) or Seki Cut Fixed Encounter (Bob Lum design, AG Russell sells them, a little bit similar to MOD Razorback).

I have got MOD Scorpion and definitely it isn't good for SD - it does not provide decent grip. If you want neck for SD look at Spyderco SPOT (not in production though ;) ), Emerson La Griffe or HideAwayKnife. If you're sticked to MOD check out their Hornet auto folder. Quite small but well designed and equipped with strong lock unlike most switchblades.
 
SFOD-D LoneWolf, have you considered the Spyderco Matriarch. This is a hawk-bladed knife designed by Sal Glesser of Spyderco specifically as a last-ditch self-defense weapon that would allow someone to slash an attacker, gaining sufficient room to escape. http://www.newgraham.com/matriarch.htm
 
FULLERH, he already turned down the idea of the Civilian, so I am sure he wouldn't go for the Matriarch. Same knife different handle.

The problem I see in all of this is you want a self defense knife and a EDC in one. That is an issue. If you are cutting rope and smashing stuff, you are gonna have a hard time getting through all that tissue and bone, when the time is right. I personally carry Strider knives all the time. I carry a PT and an SNG because after all the other knives I have tried these are the best. I am gonna get an AR soon so I have one of each style. I stay away from MOD knives. I have had a Razorback, a Tempest, an auto Trident, and a CQD. I had problems with all of them ranging from bad, up and down, side to side blade play and Shoddy workmanship. I know that isn't the issue with all them, but how could I get that unlucky. As far as the Razorback goes. It was the worst possible EDC out of the bunch. For penetration in a fight it would be great. As far as general cutting chores, it is the poorest knife of the bunch. The blade thickness, and primary grind are soooooo steep that it is near impossible to get a sharp edge for any type of cutting. You would hate that knife if you plan on cutting anything. If you carry it just for stabbing it is great. The tip will penetrate tough materials easily. Instead of buying a Razorback and maybe another one of their folders once you realized you made a mistake, you might as well get a Strider or a Sebenza.
 
Italian Police are very no nonsence. My wife and I had a three week tour of Italy by Vespa and we spent almost a week in Rome. Compared to the U.S. there is not much crime of violent nature. You are more in danger of pick-pockets and scams than armed assault.

Be very careful of what you have on you.
 
USAF SP, the Matriarch does not have quite so long and narrow a tip, so it is less likely to snap off in normal, every day usage, somethng to which I understand the Civilian is prone. It is, therefore, like other such knives, a useful dual purpose item. But bear in mind Sal Glesser's recommendation that if you carry a self-defense knife, you should carry one dedicated to that purpose and to that purpose only. That way, it will not become dulled when you need it most.
 
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