Newbie Quick Draw Lock Back Holster Q/A

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You might find something in the MO. state weapons laws:
http://pweb.netcom.com/~brlevine/mo.txt

I believe both sheaths would be legal in my state of Illinois, and I have worn a custom Elk 110 in a nice open-top sheath around my neck (what's the point of having Elk scales if ya can't show them off), and while it's legal in most areas, I wouldn't do it in a metroplitan city.

My thoughts on these sheaths are mixed, while a "quick draw" sheath might be legal, if you did end up using the knife in self-defense, the fact that you were carrying in such a sheath is liable to hang you in court.
 

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Very helpful post, The Last Confederate.

Another consideration is that if a sheeple (or sheeples) witnesses a 110 drawn, opened, from a sheath like those, they might immediately faint and topple over, leading to collateral damage. ;)

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Thanks for the replies. I'm in a holding pattern on purchasing a quick draw holster for now.

Is there any chance that a kydex neck holster is available for a Buck 110? Not sure if the weight, width, or length would be too excessive to make it worth trying this but just having the option might be kind of neat. Especially since my wife and I are fairly certain we are going to purchase neck knives in the spring.
 
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Well, I dunno what the answer is on the quick draw sheath/holster for folders. I do know that I wear one with a 111 three dot and the other day two officers walked by and I could see one of them clearly looking at it. Problem is, that under a coat (it's cold here...close to 45 degrees at nite :D )...the aluminum build of the 111 could be mistaken for a pistol grip as the contrast is pretty significant.
But I wasn't questioned (read as "detained").
Pulled over one day on my bike, I was asked by THE MAN, when wearing a factory sheath from the belt, "why do you carry a knife?". My answer is:
A) Because you won't let me carry a gun.
B) Because it doesn't jam and I don't have to reload.
C) Officer, I have carried a utility tool even before I made Eagle Scout.

The answer for me is "C". Then I pulled out my driver license and Eagle Scout card from 1973 (true story).

Anyway, after the other day when I got the stink eye from the officer, I'm thinking of putting the quick draw on the shelf just to save taxpayer dollars by not being thrown in the back of a black and white. Isn't worth the hassle and a thumb stud clamped onto the Buck is only a few bucks (pun intended) CAN SOMEONE LET ME KNOW WHERE TO ORDER ONE FROM BTW? I LOST THE LINK.

Cheers To All and Good Night...
Me.
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From California Penal Code Section 12020:
(24) As used in this section, a "dirk" or "dagger" means a knife
or other instrument with or without a handguard that is capable of
ready use as a stabbing weapon that may inflict great bodily injury
or death. A nonlocking folding knife, a folding knife that is not
prohibited by Section 653k, or a pocketknife is capable of ready use
as a stabbing weapon that may inflict great bodily injury or death
only if the blade of the knife is exposed and locked into position.
(d) Knives carried in sheaths which are worn openly suspended from
the waist of the wearer are not concealed within the meaning of this
section.
 
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As an ex California cop, I can say that the key part of that defintion is that the blade must be open and locked, ready to use as a weapon and also concealed. If none of the above is true then it cannot be considered a dirk or daggar. By the way, the dirk/daggar portion of 12020PC is one of the most difficult to prove in court. I knew of no convictions during my eight years on the SDPD. circa 1973 - 1981
 
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mfinden said:
Isn't worth the hassle and a thumb stud clamped onto the Buck is only a few bucks (pun intended) CAN SOMEONE LET ME KNOW WHERE TO ORDER ONE FROM BTW? I LOST THE LINK.

Smokey Mountain Knifeworks www.eknifeworks.com called the "one-armed Bandit"
 
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Thanks for the info Mike and TLC.
I'm gonna get one of those Bandit gizmos and see how it works just for grins.
As for the "quick draw" in California, I think I'll continue to use it given what you wrote Mike. I think a lot of it has to do with the attitude of the officer, and perhaps, more importantly the attitude of the individual wearing it (in this case, "me").
Will swap out the 110/1 from time to time with the BR102 (good looks & size) or 279 (like the easy open combined with the horizontal sheath). For more formal occassions I'll just throw the 277 in my pocket or my Cold Steel Voyager.
It is always good to have a good utility tool handy.
Thanks again gents...
Me.
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I have to caution you Mfinden, you may not get convicted, but if a cop sees you with it he may want to jerk you around. :rolleyes:

Most arrests like that though are in conjunction with a stop because they are interested in you for other reasaons and you just gave them an excuss for putting you in the slammer even if you'll be cut lose in the morning. :rolleyes:
 
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Mike Kerins said:
I have to caution you Mfinden, you may not get convicted, but if a cop sees you with it he may want to jerk you around. :rolleyes:

Most arrests like that though are in conjunction with a stop because they are interested in you for other reasaons and you just gave them an excuss for putting you in the slammer even if you'll be cut lose in the morning. :rolleyes:

Thanks Mike. And I do know what you mean about being jerked around. I have been "detained as a witness" to a rice rocket bike accident (didn't see the wreck, but I happened to pull over when the first officer showed up as is the law when his car has flashing lights...bummer for me is that I pulled over at the wreck site), been stopped for a DOT helmet that is actually DOT, stopped for "stagerring" down the street (I had a broken left foot and recovery from surgery for a gash in the right leg)...the officer was so concerned about my stagerring down the street he waited until I was under-way before he pulled me over to "check on my well being"...oh, the list goes on.

But almost every time I am asked about my "utility tool". Every time I have had a Buck 110 on me except when I was "detained as a witness" when I had a Tanto Ka-Bar fixed on my belt...one officer approached me from behind and "asked" if he could take my Ka-Bar while he was taking it (he put it in my saddle bag out of reach). I know it's for their own safety and understand that, but you know what I mean...."Goverment good. Biker bad."


That is why I am hesitant about the "quick draw" Mike and I sincerely appreciate the words from you being who you are. Just leads to questions. So, I'll prob wear a factory sheath with my folder when I'm out putt'in around. But that'll be in the spring.

Anyway, long post and TMI...
My advice on the "quick draw" question that started this thread: "do so at your own risk...you buy the island, you get the natives".

Thanks Again Mike!
Me.

PS, why would you move FROM San Diego?????
 
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You know they say that there is a huge similarity in the mindset of most bikers (including outlaw types) and most cops. If you think about that for a few minutes it can explain a lot about how some of them operate. I think it has a lot to do with them being on the street for so long. They may be on opposite sides of the law at times, but their ways of thinking can be quite similar.

I can relate to the guy removing your KA-BAR while having a chat with you. I would have done the same. A lot of times if the guy was cool, I'd provide some insight as to what he can expect to get away with and what not to. Luckily up here in Washington one can apply for and obtain a concealed weapons permit.

Mike

PS I moved away from SD because it was getting too big and crouded for my liking. My daughter and her husband live down there though so I visit frequently.
 
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