Newest BK&T! The BUSH HOG!!!!! [pic]

The last time I spoke with Ethan and Will, I understood the blade to be designed for cutting 1 inch diameter concrete rebar for the highway department. Inital testing proved it much quicker than an acetylene torch. Matter of fact a test piece has gone out to Tactical Knive's road crew as we speak....

....uh....this is a joke...ok?

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Randall's Adventure & Training
jeff@jungletraining.com
 
You might want to ask Will about full power swings, Cliff. He was there and knows what I'm refering to.
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S-T-E-V-E-N D-I-C-K
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I keep editing to put a space between the 1st. and last name but it just comes out as a run-together)
Hey, its good to have a voice from Tactical Knives here! I often wondered where you could be reached for comments.
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Are you going to stick around the forum for awhile?...Hope so! Tactical Knives is the only knife magazine that I really enjoy. I just wish it came out every 2 weeks so I would have something to read.
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Is the magazine going to publish a test on the Becker?

Welcome and regards
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Ron,
Bremerton, Washington

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I used the Bush Hog for about an hour yesterday to the behest of many cedar and even a few oak limbs.

It works. The full flat V grind doesn't wedge and cuts deeply. The .188 stock is ground thin enough to cut thin stuff, and thick enough for heavy stuff.

The thick spine gives enough mass without making it too heavy to swing all day.

As far as full powered swings, my swings were pretty hard, but my full-power is probably less than others, and more than some.

I find the Becker handle to be secure and comfortable, it has proven its merit for 15 years now and lots of folks seem to like it around the globe.

Oddly enough, unlike a few other posters here, the coating didnt flake or chip off.
Even after repeatedly prying wood and digging the blade 3-4 inches in wood and clearing it out-repeatedly. It burnished the coating a tiny bit. Soapy water and a scotchbrite pad cleaned the coatingh nicely and now it looks practically new, and I wasnt the first guy to use it.

I would like to see this thing 2 inches longer, but apparently thats not possible due to machinery constraints. Otherwise it is a phenomenal tool, and a very worthy addition to the BK&T line. Actually, so far its my favorite BK&T for now.

I must get one.........Will, are you listening?

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I believe the Beckers have the finest handle on the market today. I own three, a MKC, a new Campanion, and a mininum 10 year old Campanion (with the leather sheath, and thicker blade). I use the MKC knife on an almost daily basis. And, Cliff, that is a funny line in your last post, substituting wood for would. Was a good intended pun. LOL
 
The most critical aspect is not the power put into the swing but the grip used. A tight grip with a locked wrist and a strong follow through after impact will put many times more stress on a blade than a loose whipping motion. The main problem is that during limbing it is possible, usually after significant fatigue but knots and snaps can do it as well, for the blade to deflect after it has chopped through 1 or more branches and thus hit the next one actually above the edge which can dent or fracture it.

It is fairly easy to simulate this stress. Just lock the blade in a vice at say 45 degrees, edge up and beat on it with a round piece of hardwood or similar weight and balance to the blade. The actual work of limbing is a bit more stressful than this because this simulation doesn't take into account the violent snapping or twisting that can happen during the chopping, but it comes decently close anyway as a preliminary test and it is a lot safer to do.

-Cliff
 
Cliff,
I'm back,....so you mentioned you wanted to ask me something about the BUSH HOG?

Regarding limbing out trees, I haven't had the opportunity to get after any dead, seasoned trees yet, but I have cut the limbs off of several red cedars after cutting them for fence posts. No damage, nor di I expect any. You will really need to experience this machete to appreciate it.

Let me know if I can answer any other questions.


Also, I now know I need to do a better job of hiding the prototypes when Anthony is coming to the hunting camp
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Stay Sharp!
Will Fennell
Camillus Cutlery www.camillusknives.com

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is everything on schedual for the Nov 1 delivery? I've already preordered mine based on need
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How does the Bush Hog compare to say a simple 12" decent machete, Ontario or Barteaux for example?

-Cliff
 
Cliff,
Compare in what way? Besides being from thicker stock, fully flat ground, straight spined with a recurved edge, better steel, have a durable coating, better sheath, sharper out of the box, BK&T lifetime warranty, and IMO, a MUCH more comfortable handle,.....what else would you want to compare?
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Seriously, this thing is in a class by itself as far as I'm concerned. Without a doubt, some of the low end machete's offer an excellent value for the dollar,...but we felt a need for a BETTER machete, that was reasonable[in 'knife' terms] in cost. Wefell we have achieved that. The ultimate test is if the consumer agrees with us. I'm sure we'll find out
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Some slight hold up with the sheaths,...we should be shipping by the second week of Nov. I'll keep everybody posted.

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Stay Sharp!
Will Fennell
Camillus Cutlery
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How does it compare in terms of :

-cutting light/heavy vegetation

Ease at which material is cut, fatigue rate, shock transferred to hand, amount of binding in the thicker woods, prying chip out, and such etc.

-edge durability and edge retention

Any flattening, or chipping on hard woods, amount of wear after a few hours work. Could you say still cut light grasses after wood chopping for 30 minutes? How does it handle the odd accidential rock imact? etc

-handle security, comfort and durability

Excess grip slipping (sweaty / wet), support for heavy chopping, vibration on hard woods, direct durabilty and wear resistance

Lots more than the above of course, but those are some of the main things. Anyway, basically if you had to choose between a 12" Ontario and the Bush Hog which one would you take and why (open to anyone who has used it)?

-Cliff
 
Cliff-
I have a 12" Ontario (that I love, BTW...) and as soon as I get my hands on a Bush Hog (which shouldn't be very long, now) I will run them head to head. I was a little disappointed with the Machax but I have high hopes for the BH...

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Had one of the protos here a few months ago.
This is the real deal .
We did every kind of (real life use) tests we could think of and this pup is just the best in its class. The steel in this knife is the real stuff ... IT STAYS SHARP. We even chopped through HARD wood with just to see if it would double as a chopper. It did great.



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To Storyville:
For a long working session, the real trick is to be both light and balanced but stiff enough to reduce vibration to a degree you can live with. The 3/16th and full height grind seem to give the right balance. And the blade is thin for the slice and thick for vibrating damping. Watching Steve go through that gum tree was a real treat.
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To John Johnson:
I agree that it was past time. I have been wanting to do this for years and Camillus had the right piece of equipment and the vision…good people! The first few inches of recurve (from the point) will be sweet…VERY sweet!

To Cliff Stamp:
One of the finest tools I have ever held was a homebrew Philipino "parang." A fairly thin edge, a fairly thick spine, and a 12-14" blade. It belonged to Dr. Kevlar (Mel Otten, M.D.) the great guru of emergency medicine…and the even greater guru of "environmental hazards" and wilderness survival.

Cliff, to answer your last post…The Becker Hog slices through kudzu, a notoriously tricky vine to cut because it is so light and soft a blade tends to brush it out of the way. It goes through hardwood like a champ without edge deformation. And it slices and dices bamboo and bush honeysuckle, a nasty brittle and unpredictable target. No the Bush Hog is not a geology pick…it acts just like cutlery steel when you hit rocks.
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About the handle…I see no reason that it will not work on the machete when it has gotten good reviews on the Machax and the Brute, both hacking and whacking tools.

As far as a choice between the two machetes? Obviously the Becker Bush Hog. The Ontario is a fine tool in it’s price range, but the combination of features that the Bush Hog offers––the increased comfort, better performance on both small and large diameter targets––put it IMHO into a totally new class of factory machetes. Try it, Cliff. You’ll like it.
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A note at this point on testing: as of this week there were two Becker Bush Hogs in existence. In a short time, there will be enough to indulge in some really destructive testing and Will and I both will be finding the outer limits of the Becker Hog’s performance envelope and reporting in then. Although I must say that watching Steve Dick taking BIG chunks out of that poor gum tree both impressed upon me that my technique could use some improvement and that the Becker Bush Hog was no shrinking violet.

Ethan Becker


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GL,
We are getting close to shipping the BUSH HOG's. I'll get an better date tomorrow and post it. They are ground, and on the way back from the coating people last I heard. After we get it back[could be in now], it won't take long to put the scales on and sharpen.

I'll make the announcement here on the CAMILLUS FORUM the day the ship.

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Stay Sharp!
Will Fennell
Camillus Cutlery
www.camillusknives.com
 
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