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I just purchased this knife via Ebay and my winning bid was $13. That's probably worth it for just about any custom knife, but has anyone had any experience with these types of knives and if so, are they decent or will I be disappointed?? Its damascus w/ 1095 and 15n20 folded 200 times. Has camel bone handle and comes w/ a leather sheath. Any input would be most appreciated.....
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I won't rain on your parade. If you like the knife, good deal. My guess is it was made in China or Pakistan? I've picked up decent blades from both places, but I wouldn't call them "custom" knives. You probably got a $13 knife there.
 
That's about what you'd pay for a burger and fries...and coffee in a restaurant. And that's gone in ten hours. So I guess you did okay.
 
I take it you have not gotten the knife yet ?
Wait til what you get in the package. :D
 
it was totally an impulse buy and others like it were going for 30-50 bux, and it was my very 1st auction win on Ebay! LOL, I'm actually saving up for a BK15 anyway....just wanted a "not-tha-folder" so I snatched it up. if it turns out to be a total piece 'o poo, then I'll give it to my daughter :)
 
It's a typical Pakistani dirt floor shop mass produced "damascus" knife made from poor quality mystery steel. They are specifically made for the auction site. A real damascus blade that size would cost the maker $100 plus for the blank alone. I have one just like it purchased 10 years ago.
 
It's a typical Pakistani dirt floor shop mass produced "damascus" knife made from poor quality mystery steel. They are specifically made for the auction site. A real damascus blade that size would cost the maker $100 plus for the blank alone. I have one just like it purchased 10 years ago.

Thanks for the input. Knew it was too good of a deal. It's cool tho. My daughter will start dating soon and needs a knife that looks intimidating to go with the mace I'm getting her
 
Folded 200 times? OK, that's ~10^60 layers. In, at best, 2mm thickness? So each layer is 5,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times thinner than a single iron atom? Huh.
 
Folded 200 times? OK, that's ~10^60 layers. In, at best, 2mm thickness? So each layer is 5,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times thinner than a single iron atom? Huh.

ummmm, yeah. wait, wut? lol. That's dumbass for "you lost me bro" ;)
 
ummmm, yeah. wait, wut? lol. That's dumbass for "you lost me bro" ;)

It's basically my smartass way of saying that a blade folded 200 times is... excessive. So massively excessive that there aren't enough atoms on earth to count the number of times it's excessive. Like folded 150 times past the point where the steel would have been perfectly homogeneous.
 
A Damascus blade at that price assuredly made of dubious quality. Read more posts on the forum and do your homework before you buy. It's not a good idea to give any weapons to your daughter to carry before until investing in some self protection classes for her.
A wicked looking blade in the hands of a young girl will not scare away a determined attacker.
 
ummmm, yeah. wait, wut? lol. That's dumbass for "you lost me bro" ;)
Look at it this way. Paper is pretty thin, right? Let's even say telephone book paper. Now go to your telephone book and see how thick 200 pages is in comparison to the knife. Lots of different variables in that analogy, but you get the point.

A lot of the Chinese damascus blades on ebay are actually acid etched 420J2. For $13 though, you're not out much money anyways. Chances are it will be usable, but I'd verify that yourself before passing it along to someone else.
 
it's not a quality knife but it should be servicable for yard chores - I wouldn't want to rely on it out in the field though.
 
Yalius said:
Folded 200 times? OK, that's ~10^60 layers. In, at best, 2mm thickness? So each layer is 5,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times thinner than a single iron atom? Huh.

ummmm, yeah. wait, wut? lol. That's dumbass for "you lost me bro" ;)

Think of it like folding a sheet of paper. Every time you fold it, you double the number of layers (2, 4, 8, 16, etc.). So, a single piece of steel folded 200 times gives you 2^200 layers, or 1.6 x 10^60. If they used 2 different steels (supposedly 1095 and 15n20), then that's 3.2 x 10^60 layers.

If they hammer that all out to, say a generous 1/4" thick billet, each layer would be 0.25 / (3.2 x 10^60) inches thick, or 3.1 x 10^-61 inches. The atomic radius of an atom of iron is 126 picometers, which converts to 4.96 x 10^-9 inches. So, an atom of iron would be 1.6 x 10^52 (16 sexdecillion) times thicker than each supposed layer in this steel. Obviously, that wouldn't be possible.

If they did actually fold the steel 200 times, you'd effectively end up with a homogenous blend of the two steels, not actual layers. Using another analogy, start with two different colors of Play-Doh layered on top of each other. Fold that over on itself, and flatten it out. Repeat 200 times. What you end up with won't be layers of the two colors of Play-Doh, but a blend of the two.

By comparison, a real damascus manufacturer, like Alabama Damascus, achieves 416 layers by starting with 13 layers of different steels and folding it 5 times (13 x 2^5 = 416).
 
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Think of it like folding a sheet of paper. Every time you fold it, you double the number of layers (2, 4, 8, 16, etc.). So, a single piece of steel folded 200 times gives you 2^200 layers, or 1.6 x 10^60. If they used 2 different steels (supposedly 1095 and 15n20), then that's 3.2 x 10^60 layers.

If they hammer that all out to, say a generous 1/4" thick billet, each layer would be 0.25 / (3.2 x 10^60) inches thick, or 3.1 x 10^-61 inches. The atomic radius of an atom of iron is 126 picometers, which converts to 4.96 x 10^-9 inches. So, an atom of iron would be 1.6 x 10^52 (16 sexdecillion) times thicker than each supposed layer in this steel. Obviously, that wouldn't be possible.

If they did actually fold the steel 200 times, you'd effectively end up with a homogenous blend of the two steels, not actual layers. Using another analogy, start with two different colors of Play-Doh layered on top of each other. Fold that over on itself, and flatten it out. Repeat 200 times. What you end up with won't be layers of the two colors of Play-Doh, but a blend of the two.

By comparison, a real damascus manufacturer, like Alabama Damascus, achieves 416 layers by starting with 13 layers of different steels and folding it 5 times (13 x 2^5 = 416).

You have no idea how much I appreciate that breakdown. Really makes a lot of sense and absolutely discredits the knife that I bought, which is a true testament to "you get what you pay for". Some people like being oblivious to facts like those and enjoy believing they have a good product. I am NOT one of those people. Thanks again.....
 
Look at it this way. Paper is pretty thin, right? Let's even say telephone book paper. Now go to your telephone book and see how thick 200 pages is in comparison to the knife. Lots of different variables in that analogy, but you get the point.

A lot of the Chinese damascus blades on ebay are actually acid etched 420J2. For $13 though, you're not out much money anyways. Chances are it will be usable, but I'd verify that yourself before passing it along to someone else.

Thanks for the input and analogy. VERY helpful. Useful or not, nobody really misses $13 when it's all said and done
 
A Damascus blade at that price assuredly made of dubious quality. Read more posts on the forum and do your homework before you buy. It's not a good idea to give any weapons to your daughter to carry before until investing in some self protection classes for her.
A wicked looking blade in the hands of a young girl will not scare away a determined attacker.

Thanks for the tip, but that was more of a joke. But the self defense classes are a good idea. She will definitely get a thorough lesson from me on using a knife and any blade I give her will b as close to fail-proof as possible!
 
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