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The BladeForums.com 2024 Traditional Knife is ready to order! See this thread for details: https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/bladeforums-2024-traditional-knife.2003187/
Price is$300$250 ea (shipped within CONUS). If you live outside the US, I will contact you after your order for extra shipping charges.
Order here: https://www.bladeforums.com/help/2024-traditional/ - Order as many as you like, we have plenty.
Next EDC knife - Kershaw or RAT1?
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Armadew - Thanks! I was checking www.knifeworks.com too and I have found this version with D2 which is out of stock ATM: http://www.knifeworks.com/ontariora...eelblackcarbonfiberhandle-limitededition.aspx
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Btw. there is interesting review in link you have posted:
"I had an original ontario rat model II. to be honest I thought it was a very decent knife, and had promising blade steel, but that knife just never held and edge very well, and I had a lot of issues with the steel in general. I was happy to try this out, a 32 dollar knife with D2 from a brand name is pretty crazy! In my opinion, at least with the unit that I received, I feel this is a good lesson on the truth about steels. And that is that, the heat treat is about half of the performance. We all know D2 is a very well renowned steel, but my knife does not hold an edge any better than 8cr13 or standard AUS8. I can tell it was slightly harder than the original steel, but I did not see much a difference in performance. In fact the D2 took less of a high polish, and not as keen of an edge. Is it the heat treat? Is it just low quality d2? Is my model just not so great? I have no idea but this is not impressive for me. I hope other people have better luck. Still a nice knife at a good price though!"
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"I had an original ontario rat model II. to be honest I thought it was a very decent knife, and had promising blade steel, but that knife just never held and edge very well, and I had a lot of issues with the steel in general. I was happy to try this out, a 32 dollar knife with D2 from a brand name is pretty crazy! In my opinion, at least with the unit that I received, I feel this is a good lesson on the truth about steels. And that is that, the heat treat is about half of the performance. We all know D2 is a very well renowned steel, but my knife does not hold an edge any better than 8cr13 or standard AUS8. I can tell it was slightly harder than the original steel, but I did not see much a difference in performance. In fact the D2 took less of a high polish, and not as keen of an edge. Is it the heat treat? Is it just low quality d2? Is my model just not so great? I have no idea but this is not impressive for me. I hope other people have better luck. Still a nice knife at a good price though!"
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" Ontario RAT Model 1 Folder, 3.5" D2 Blade Steel, Black Handle "
First entry should be KW, they have the base model with Black scales for $31.95 as of the time I'm writing this.
It's possible they run also some special for Fathers day.
(ha ha ha... This is what happens when you don't read all posts in the thread, Armadew already beat me to this...
:thumbup: )In regard of kershaw Blur in S30V - Yes, it is outstanding knife, no doubt about it.
It's also almost double the price of the Rat 1, there is a re-curve of the blade that I'm not sure you are familiar how to deal with when sharpening,
it has speed safe system and aluminum body. I personally like the AO but I'm not fan of aluminum or any other metal handle folders simply because i work with my knives and often when I drop them on the concrete,
it creates dings that are ugly and feels sharp at the moment, before I fix them at home.
Not my cup of tea, regardless, as I said - the Blur is very popular knife for a reason but for what you are looking for IMO Rat1 is better choice,
you can always get a Blur after this and decide for yourself which one suits you better...
If I used Rat2 till yesterday, and there is a larger knife of the same geometry, it would be the obvious choice for me.
Here, how Rat1 stacks to some other popular knives:
These are both good steels. They have different characteristics. 14C28N is probably a bit more corrosion resistant. It takes a very sharp edge and holds that uber sharpness longer than S30V. Once it looses it, however, it will dull quickly, but is easy to sharpen. S30V loses its extreme sharpness easier, but keeps a sharp working edge longer. It is harder to sharpen than the 14C28N. Which do you want, longer edge retention or longer extreme sharpness? Do you need easier sharpening?
Also, though I cannot say this from personal experience, S30V is reported to be a bit more chippy, where 14C28N will roll, so edge repair is easier.
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I have no idea why this guy have such experience but I maintain some rental houses and my knives are cutting and scraping wood, plastic ties, paint and silicone and wires every day.
I can do this all day without any performance damage on the cutting edge, this is a hard and thick dishwasher wire as one can see...
This picture was taken 10min ago, right after I did cut the wire. S30V will not keep up with D2 on such tasks, I have Manix XL with it and absolutely love it but it isn't anywhere close to D2 in edge retention when I'm using it.
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I'm a lifetime fan of the RAT1
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I am also currently torn between a new Kershaw or Rat1 in d2. I can vouch for the Kershaws. For a user knife, I feel comfortable siding with them because of their customer service and warranty. Should you break the blade, they will replace the blade for something around ten dollars or less. So I didn't mind spending some extra money on a composite leek or a upgraded s30v version of the blur knowing I could always have a broken blade repaired for around ten dollars.
My Sage has been my work knife for the past eight months and it is s30v. No, it will not stay shaving sharp for very long at all. But it WILL keep that working edge for a very long time. It will cut a couple hundred feet of cardboard effectively long after it has lost its ability to shave hair off my arm. It isn't as hard to sharpen or maintain its edge as i originally thought, either. Ive only ever had to touch the blade up with a fine to medium ceramic rod and a leather strop. Ive never reprofiled, and never had to really remove metal and sharpen the blade from scratch. Ive been very happy with s30v and I imagine Kershaw's s30v is on par with Spyderco's. My two cents; if your gonna go for the blur, go for the version in s30v. You wont regret it.
Having said that, can anybody attest to the performance and/or heat treat on Ontario's D2 steel as seen on the Rat1? I am looking for a good sample of d2 to experiment with and experience, and at the price point, coupled with the fact that I am looking for a larger folder than my Sage, the Rat1 in d2 is oh so tempting. I am just worried that the quality of the d2 will reflect the price, hence not reveal the true nature and capabilities of this steel.
The only d2 I have experience with is Kershaw's composite leek model. Is Ontario's comparable? I am in love with the d2 on my composite Leek. The sharpest edge I've gotten out of a knife, no chipping, no rolls, and stays that way a long time. But that Leek was around 80$. The Rat1 probably houses five times the amount of d2 in that blade is is less than half that price, shipped.
My Sage has been my work knife for the past eight months and it is s30v. No, it will not stay shaving sharp for very long at all. But it WILL keep that working edge for a very long time. It will cut a couple hundred feet of cardboard effectively long after it has lost its ability to shave hair off my arm. It isn't as hard to sharpen or maintain its edge as i originally thought, either. Ive only ever had to touch the blade up with a fine to medium ceramic rod and a leather strop. Ive never reprofiled, and never had to really remove metal and sharpen the blade from scratch. Ive been very happy with s30v and I imagine Kershaw's s30v is on par with Spyderco's. My two cents; if your gonna go for the blur, go for the version in s30v. You wont regret it.
Having said that, can anybody attest to the performance and/or heat treat on Ontario's D2 steel as seen on the Rat1? I am looking for a good sample of d2 to experiment with and experience, and at the price point, coupled with the fact that I am looking for a larger folder than my Sage, the Rat1 in d2 is oh so tempting. I am just worried that the quality of the d2 will reflect the price, hence not reveal the true nature and capabilities of this steel.
The only d2 I have experience with is Kershaw's composite leek model. Is Ontario's comparable? I am in love with the d2 on my composite Leek. The sharpest edge I've gotten out of a knife, no chipping, no rolls, and stays that way a long time. But that Leek was around 80$. The Rat1 probably houses five times the amount of d2 in that blade is is less than half that price, shipped.
Guys love there Blurs but they have had issues with lockup when the spine was smacked even fairly lightly which is why I got rid of mine. The skyline, rat1 and avispa are all good knives so if you can hold each in hand I would pick the one that is most comfortable in hand to you.