Next step up in a ti folder

If you are unhappy with a Bradley then I doubt you are going to be satisfied with a Seb. There just isn't that much difference.

Bradleys are excellent knives.

Sebenzas aren't twice as nice, or twice as good.

Right now my CRK is in the drawer.
The Bradley is going with me today.
Tommorow the TNT, after that, I may pocket a Benchmade.

Don't be fooled, CRK's aren't all that they are made out to be on this forum. They are nice knives, but they don't convert most people from everything else.

Of course, if you mainly desire a Seb for prestige, then you will be very happy.

You won't even care if it comes from the factory with a dull blade.
 
I've had a few BMs, including a mini-skirmish, and handled a few of the others mentioned above. IMO, a sebenza is probably neither the best looking or smoothest knife around, especially at this price point. It does, however, seem to be the best in the "most of what you want" catagory. In addition to the hard, cold data, there are few intangibles that seem to bring me back to CRK tho, and are worth considering -

- The fit and finish is exceptionally consistent and elegantly simple. Simple form and function with a modicum of style. Conservative yet with a little flare.

- I absolutely love the service CRK provides. From answering questions, to warranty work, to their refurb treatment - it is personal, considerate, and first-rate. I know that the big names the in $200+ market all have lifetime warranties - but CR makes easy and reasonable. That alone has been the deciding factor in me choosing a Seb over a Klotzli, MCusta, and Fallkniven 3 times now. I mean, a kid on these forums abused the heck out of his Sebenza , and CRK still offered to fix it for $150?? :rolleyes: .

- I love being able to (and encouraged to) take the thing apart and clean it. I don't think that is very common.

- While not a deciding factor for me, it is nice that a product like this can be made in the good ol' USA.

Oh and if you don't like it, you can resell or trade it here or other aftermarket sites for a reasonable value without loosing much $$ (as long as it is nearly mint of course.) I've seen a dozen postings that list a Sebenza as a trade consideration.

Good luck in your search, but I think if you are serious about collecting Ti framelocks, you can't avoid a Sebenza for very long. It's the standard for crying out loud.
 
pedicabdriver said:
Spyderco has a Titanium version of the Military coming out soon.
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Now that I am going to have to keep up on!
My old two screw clip CPM440V original is a garage knife for now.
Blade chips out entirely too much for my liking, and the clip threads are stripped.

When will this titanium Millie be available?
 
Dagon said:
There are in my opinion other production knives offering the same precision and quality. I mentioned Klotzli already, they target a different audience but quality and finish are similar to a CRK, not inferior at all.
Furthermore I had the pleasure to handle Rockstead knives last weekend at a trade fair. Yes, more expensive than a Sebenza but production knives all the same. The quality that radiates from these is totally incredible, probably the best on any production knife I have already seen. They do cost more than what I am prepared to pay for any knife but they are special indeed. The edgeholding of them is incredible as well.
Finally, again in a different concept, I did handle a few elegant Moki backlock knives that have the precision feel of the best customs I have been fortunate enough to fondle; I would say that the manufacturing quality of these is on par with a CRK. Different indeed, but equally worthy.
Just a few counterexamples to the "best ever", "nothing touches it" etc claims that are in my opinion too easily thrown around.
I do respect the Sebenza, mind, even if it doesn't particularly attract me.
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I'm sorry I thought we were talking about Ti Framelock folders like the OP was originally alluding to. Klotzli does produce some very nice folders, but as far as I know almost all of them are Ti framed, but with a Walker Liner Lock and not a Reeves Integral Lock. I had never heard of Rockstead before and they look like awesome knives, but I saw only one Ti framelock in the Higo. The Moki backlocks... Well it says it all right there doesn't it? Not a Ti framelock.

I agree that there may be production knives out there with the equal fit and finish to that of Sebenza, but I have yet to find a production Ti framelock knife that is the Sebenza's equal. It's just a good thing that we can have different opinions.

I will say one more thing. Just because two knives use the exact same materials to produce a knife does not make the knives equal. Alot of things happen between raw materials and finished product. That is where you find the real big and minute differences in knives. There are comparisons of the Sebenza to all kinds of Ti Framelock folders, but the Sebenza is the Sebenza, a Strider is a Strider, a Bradley is a Bradley, etc., etc. One may be better for one person and another may be better for a different person. The idea is to find exactly what you want in your pocket at all times. Names, designs, and materials all play second fiddle compared to what you really want to carry.
 
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bearcut said:
If you are unhappy with a Bradley then I doubt you are going to be satisfied with a Seb. There just isn't that much difference.

Bradleys are excellent knives.

Sebenzas aren't twice as nice, or twice as good.

Right now my CRK is in the drawer.
The Bradley is going with me today.
Tommorow the TNT, after that, I may pocket a Benchmade.

Don't be fooled, CRK's aren't all that they are made out to be on this forum. They are nice knives, but they don't convert most people from everything else.
Of course, if you mainly desire a Seb for prestige, then you will be very happy.

You won't even care if it comes from the factory with a dull blade.
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Not according to Sal Glasser, of course he only owns Spyderco, so what would he know!:)

If you are here on this forum, you are more than likely a knife "afi".

If you are a knife "afi", then you will purchase more than one knife in your life-time.

There are a few knife manufactuers that consistently produce knives for us knife "afi's" to enjoy. Chris Reeve is one of them.

Sooner of later, you will want to try at least one of Chris Reeve's models. If nothing else, to learn to see what CRK offers.

Chris is in a class by himself for a reason. Afer all of these years, they couldn't get away with just hype.
In addition to creating the Reeve Integral Lock (RIL), sometimes called a "framelock", CRK has a very high standard for close tolerance. Most of you probably cannot see or measure the tolerance difference, but that doesn't mean it isn't there.
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Where did Sal mention that CRK's are so much better that they spoil people for anything else?

That is what I wrote. (See the BOLD print) I never said that CRK's aren't well made. I never said that they don't employ very high tolerences. I said that most CRK owners still enjoy and use their other knives, even after purchasing a CRK.

If you want to refute someone with a quote, at least stay on topic.

In a subforum, several people mentioned getting CRK's with dull blades. This, in a supposedly 'perfectly made knife'. (According to many CRK fans)

Gee, maybe after all these years they could get away with just hype, a certain amount anyway, no matter what Sal thinks.

I own a CRK. It is a very very good knife. The blade even came sharp.
I have many other knives that I have purchased since the CRK. Why would I do that if the CRK was the be-all end-all of knives like some of you
try to make them out to be?

Answer: Because they aren't the be-all end-all of knives.
 
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Ahh. Maybe not to you, but they may be to others. Remember that what we are all saying is our own opinion. In my opinion the Sebenza is much better than the Alias that I'll happily pay the difference. As far as hype goes, CRK must be really good getting it out there, as they sell every one they build. And dude, take a chill pill, it's only opinions, and no need to take such offense at someone who doesn't agree with your opinion.:) Life is too short to live it angry all the time.
 
bearcut said:
Where did Sal mention that CRK's are so much better that they spoil people for anything else?

That is what I wrote. (See the BOLD print) I never said that CRK's aren't well made. I never said that they don't employ very high tolerences. I said that most CRK owners still enjoy and use their other knives, even after purchasing a CRK.

If you want to refute someone with a quote, at least stay on topic.

In a subforum, several people mentioned getting CRK's with dull blades. This, in a supposedly 'perfectly made knife'. (According to many CRK fans)

Gee, maybe after all these years they could get away with just hype, a certain amount anyway, no matter what Sal thinks.

I own a CRK. It is a very very good knife. The blade even came sharp.
I have many other knives that I have purchased since the CRK. Why would I do that if the CRK was the be-all end-all of knives like some of you
try to make them out to be?

Answer: Because they aren't the be-all end-all of knives.
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I don't believe Sal ever said that the Sebenza was the be all end all of knives or that the Sebenza spoils people for anything else. I don't think anyone in this thread said those words except for you. What was said was that the Sebenza is in a class of it's own. Not because of the materials used. Anyone can rattle off a few knives with Ti framelock handles and S30V blades. What puts the Sebenza in a class of it's own are the little things. The fit and finish, the high tolerances, the pivot bushing, the crowned spine, the simplicity and elegance of it's design, and the overall toughness of the knife. Let's not forget fantastic customer service either. Some people are going to love the Sebenza and some aren't. Some people will bash it without ever owning or even handling one just because of how much they cost.

I feel though, that 8 out of 10 real folder enthusiasts will buy a Sebenza in their lifetime. Of that eight, six will really like the knife and end up keeping and using it. One of the two will keep it in a drawer or safe and may sell it because it's too expensive to use and the other will sell it right off the bat. The two that never even bought one? One could never get the money together to afford it and the other was never interested in the first place. Please don't get all crazy. These obviously aren't real statistics, it's just my opinion.
 
cutter17 said:
Ahh. Maybe not to you, but they may be to others. Remember that what we are all saying is our own opinion. In my opinion the Sebenza is much better than the Alias that I'll happily pay the difference. As far as hype goes, CRK must be really good getting it out there, as they sell every one they build. And dude, take a chill pill, it's only opinions, and no need to take such offense at someone who doesn't agree with your opinion.:) Life is too short to live it angry all the time.
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My original reply was directed to the OP, not you.

I was expressing my opinion, just like you.

You decided to take issue with my opinion.

You think I need to take a chill pill?

Physician, heal thyself.
 
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