Niece reports from Houston.

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Our niece called from her her home in Houston, and gave us an account of how its been going in the aftermath of Ike, and what has been used the most.

Before the storm, she gassed up her Honda Element, and bought some extra cans of Colman fuel for her camp stove. Water was stored in several clorax bottles and a few cases of bottled water. All her flashlights are AA, Several boxes of emergency candles.

Now after a few days, she says the drinking water, camp stove and canned goods have been the savior. Dried food took too much water to make, but she and her husband and young son could pop open a few cans and warm up and eat. They stocked up on canned goods before the storm hit. Now they are going to keep canned stuff on hand and rotate the stock, rather than have to use water cooking up dry stuff like rice, pasta. They have used the can opener on a sak a few times a day.

The LED converted minimags have proved totally adaquite for finding the way around the dark house, and yard at night. They each have one on them at all times.

A manual bow saw has let them saw up some of the broken off tree limbs in thier yard. No gas required. The gas stations that have reopened have long lines of people waiting to get gas.

Mountain bikes have proved very valuble. She or her husband has used them for local erands instead of burning the gas in the car, till things get a little more back to normal.

Her nieghborhood has been hit with alot of wind damage to roofs and windows, and plastic sheeting has been needed. They've used pre-packed disposable painting drop cloths from Walmart for tacking down over roof damage, duct taping the uphill side. Plastic sheeting and duct tape have been used alot. They plan to have more on hand in the future.

Rolls of twine have been needed for making bundles of debris to put out by the curb. Sawed up limbs, blown in trash, roof shingles.

Its very hot, no power=no air conditioning. To help keep cooler they wet down a t shirt and the slightest breeze feels very nice.

Last but not least; her .22 rifle was used once. She was making some tea on the camp stove in her kitchen while husband Steve was out in the nieghborhood helping a nieghbor down the street that did not fair as well as they, when 6 year old Torrin came running in telling her that there were men in the back yard, looking in their shed. They have a metal shed that the wind half tore off the roof, and the doors were hanging off. Inside were thier bicycles, lawnmowers, spare gas cans, and stuff. Bronwyn stepped half out the back door and told the men to get out of her yard or be burried in it. She has a fine Irish temper to go with the celtic family tree. The men ran off. Guess they didn't feel like arguing with a gal with a 10/22 in her hands.

Today she said they are almost used to camping out at the house, but hope power comes back soon. They are doing okay. Slowly but surely, Houston is comming back to life she says.
 
Great to hear that they are doing well, and glad to see they did well to prepare properly.

Thanks for sharing, it's interesting to know what was used the most, and just pointing out that dry food wasn't as good is a nice tip, as I know a lot of people including me would have stocked up on that kind of stuff.
 
Thank you for the report. Our prayers go out to them and everyone else down there affected.

Great to learn what worked and didn't.

Charlie
 
Last but not least; her .22 rifle was used once. She was making some tea on the camp stove in her kitchen while husband Steve was out in the nieghborhood helping a nieghbor down the street that did not fair as well as they, when 6 year old Torrin came running in telling her that there were men in the back yard, looking in their shed. They have a metal shed that the wind half tore off the roof, and the doors were hanging off. Inside were thier bicycles, lawnmowers, spare gas cans, and stuff. Bronwyn stepped half out the back door and told the men to get out of her yard or be burried in it. She has a fine Irish temper to go with the celtic family tree. The men ran off. Guess they didn't feel like arguing with a gal with a 10/22 in her hands.

Today she said they are almost used to camping out at the house, but hope power comes back soon. They are doing okay. Slowly but surely, Houston is comming back to life she says.

Jackknife, I am glad that your niece is doing well.

That's pretty hardcore. Is there a proper thing to do when you are being looted at your own house. I mean the instinctive thing to do would be to grab a gun. But is there a better way ?
 
That's pretty hardcore. Is there a proper thing to do when you are being looted at your own house. I mean the instinctive thing to do would be to grab a gun. But is there a better way ?
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Yes Carry a bigger gun!That way you have the power to back up your threats.
 
Jackknife, I am glad that your niece is doing well.

That's pretty hardcore. Is there a proper thing to do when you are being looted at your own house. I mean the instinctive thing to do would be to grab a gun. But is there a better way ?

Not unless you want your property to become an impromptu, free, yard sale!

Think about it; will the police have time to come by and do anything during the aftermath of such a crisis?

Andy
 
Jackknife, I am glad that your niece is doing well.

That's pretty hardcore. Is there a proper thing to do when you are being looted at your own house. I mean the instinctive thing to do would be to grab a gun. But is there a better way ?

In Texas this doesn't matter. You are legally permitted to shoot to protect your property. I would have let the shepherds loose on them instead though...
 
In Texas this doesn't matter. You are legally permitted to shoot to protect your property. I would have let the shepherds loose on them instead though...

They don't have any shepards, but they do have a welsh corgi. I'm sure he could bit the heck out of an ankle!:D

Note on canned food; The cans with a high fluid content did the best because of the hot humid conditions. Cambells soups, Dinty Moore Beef Stew with the gravy. Keeping hydrated in the Houston humid heat was high on the list. Foods that require alot of your own body moisture to prosess don't work well in the heat. Too much drain on the system.
 
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KIDWHOLAUGHS - "That's pretty hardcore. Is there a proper thing to do when you are being looted at your own house. I mean the instinctive thing to do would be to grab a gun. But is there a better way ?"

Kid, you infer that the lady did not do the "proper" thing by using her firearm to prevent criminals from stealing vital supplies that were there to enhance the survival of her and her family.

Yes, that was indeed, the very proper thing to do. Anyone who confronts criminals without being armed is committing a very unwise act. She acted responsibly and decisively to protect herself and her family.

If the police had even been able to respond to a 9-1-1 call, the criminals would have already stolen her supplies and disappeared, leaving her and her family in trouble.

L.W.
 
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I find the idea that her gun isn't big enough to be a bit iffy. Had they been obviously armed and going for violence, maybe. But no small group of halfway sober people is goiing to charge a 10/22 - assuming they knew it was a 22 instead of a min14 or something- over a lawnmower. And no mythical PCP crazed giant bodybuilder was around to "prove" that you need a .50 cal to defend yourself :D

As for the dry food, when we had the big outage and storms last winter we did fine, but we also have a lot of water. Generally > 20 gallons in containers and whatever. We didnt need to but did collect rainwater as an exercise.

Boiling and iodine are good treatments for water you may have issues with.

Now, we tend to avoid canned food, so we plan around keeping a water supply going. Out of cusiosity, did they fill tubs and such beforehand?

For people who may be curious about water storage, the large 5 gallon plastic bottles are pretty cheap these days. Pop a bit of bleach in and cap them up and let them sit until you need them. You can still - and should (chlorine is heat volatile) boil water that's been stored for a long time.

One other question- did they have a tent option in case the house became structurally unsound?

Excellent on the propane camp stove. Harbor freight sells a bottle filler for the little propane bottles so you can refill from a bigger tank. We have an adaptor hooked up to a 20 pound tank, that will last weeks.
 
Jackknife,

That canned soup is a great idea. Avoiding foods that takes more water to process is very smart. In addition, taking vitamins could be beneficial as well. Stress can deplete vitamins and lower the immune system. Since, your niece might not have all good groups in a time like this. Vitamins can help to make up for the things that they are not eating.



Kid, you infer that the lady did not do the "proper" thing by using her firearm to prevent criminals from stealing vital supplies that were there to enhance the survival of her and her family.

Yes, that was indeed, the very proper thing to do. Anyone who confronts criminals without being armed is committing a very unwise act. She acted responsibily and decisively to protect herself and her family.

If the police had even been able to respond to a 9-1-1 call, the criminals would have already stolen her supplies and disappeared, leaving her and her family in trouble.

L.W.

Well, i guess "proper" could be defined better. Brandishing a firearm implies the intent to use it, and if needed, to kill with it. However, at the same token, firearms can complicate things as well. ie escalating a situation in to needless blood shed. Is some one's life really worth a lawnmower or a home gardening equipment? I guess this all needs to be taken in to context. Or I could be getting too soft on others in my old age:)
 
Well, i guess "proper" could be defined better. Brandishing a firearm implies the intent to use it, and if needed, to kill with it. However, at the same token, firearms can complicate things as well. ie escalating a situation in to needless blood shed. Is some one's life really worth a lawnmower or a home gardening equipment? I guess this all needs to be taken in to context. Or I could be getting too soft on others in my old age:)

I do not advocate *using* deadly force to defend property. But in a situation where folks feel that the social fabric has been torn enough to start hunting through another's property without compunction, I can't fault a law-abiding citizen for offering force to back up property rights.

Now, if these thugs had decided not to take her advice, if they had advanced on her in the face of armed resistance, that would be their choice, not hers. She was, after all, in the right.

Andy
 
Inside that shed were three gas cans that had been filled up prior to the storm. A 5 gallon, and two 3 gallons cans. those 11 gallons of gas would be almost a full tank of gas for thier Honda, if they had to get out of town. I don't think Bronwyn was going to let three low lifes get away with what could have been her familys ticket out of there, if need be. At that point they did not know how bad or lucky Houston had been.

In the aftermath of a large natural event like a hurricane, earthquake, tornado, you can't let passing scavengers go through your supplies.

You just can't.
 
Is some one's life really worth a lawnmower or a home gardening equipment?

Lawnmower, no. Gas at the beginning of a potentially month long power outage? Maybe. When the lights go out and the stores are empty the stakes are higher.
 
Stealing my supplies in a survival situation is a life threatening act. I can almost understand looting for food at a grocery store. I however cannot get behind people taking from other people who need it.
 
We were hit hard during Hurricane Katrina, as I live in south Mississippi, about 35 miles from the beach. We were stocked up on water, canned food, had live chickens to eat, etc...But after the storm I kept my Remington 1100 with me for three weeks. We had no power for three weeks and there were people roaming around stealing other peoples property. I have a wife and two sons and I wasn't about to let anyone get our supplies. I understand the ol' girls actions right well!
 
Stealing my supplies in a survival situation is a life threatening act. I can almost understand looting for food at a grocery store. I however cannot get behind people taking from other people who need it.

What about tv's? :rolleyes:

Seriously though...I agree with this 100%. I have heard, not verified just heard, that some stores have decided to open up a bit to avoid having any serious damage done to their property to allow people to gather what they need. I think this is an old report circulating from a different storm though.
 
okay, the lawnmower comment is my fault, but "Inside were thier bicycles, lawnmowers, spare gas cans, and stuff"- it's not being willing to shoot someone with a rifle over a lawnmower.

Also, this is a 6 year old running into the house because of strangers invading his yard. Now, my 5 year old is pretty good at talking and all, but I wouldn't expect him to be able to give me an official observation report with detail at a high level. I'd just grab a rifle and go to the door and see what's up.

There's also an escalation to looting, especially when there are people in groups. It might start out with a bike or two, but then they go in the house.... then it's a bit of food and the beer fridge, and they are getting into it and suddenly they see your wife. Same way riots get started.

Best to nip that whole progression in the bud.
 
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