No flu shots for old vets

Bill Martino said:
The way this country treats the men and women who have served it so honorably, bravely and well but who are now too old, sick and crippled up to offer anything is a goddamned disgrace. Talk about ingratitude.

I apologize if this has been posted recently in another thread, but it seemed to fit the subject very well today and I thought of it as soon as I read this post from Uncle Bill. The beginning of the last verse seemed especially fitting. Kipling said it best.

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TOMMY

I went into a public-'ouse to get a pint o' beer,
The publican 'e up an' sez, "We serve no red-coats here."
The girls be'ind the bar they laughed an' giggled fit to die,
I outs into the street again an' to myself sez I:
O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, go away";
But it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play,
The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,
O it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play.

I went into a theatre as sober as could be,
They gave a drunk civilian room, but 'adn't none for me;
They sent me to the gallery or round the music-'alls,
But when it comes to fightin', Lord! they'll shove me in the stalls!
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, wait outside";
But it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide,
The troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopship's on the tide,
O it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide.

Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep
Is cheaper than them uniforms, an' they're starvation cheap;
An' hustlin' drunken soldiers when they're goin' large a bit
Is five times better business than paradin' in full kit.
Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, 'ow's yer soul?"
But it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll,
The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
O it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll.

We aren't no thin red 'eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too,
But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
An' if sometimes our conduck isn't all your fancy paints,
Why, single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints;
While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, fall be'ind",
But it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind,
There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind,
O it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind.

You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires, an' all:
We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace.
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!"
But it's "Saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot;
An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
An' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool -- you bet that Tommy sees!

*************

Norm
 
Your so right Uncle.

If there's one group of people who deserve all that this country can do for them, its our vets.

Everytime you go to vote, thank a vet. Everytime you talk with someone about politics and "rag" on the current administartion, thank a vet for the right to do that without being thrown in jail.

Every freedom we've had since 1776 has been fought for and won by a "future" vet.

I'm a vet and proud of it. and even if they wanted my sorry old broken down ass to serve again. I'd squeeze into my old dress blues and gladly go.

I just wish the rest of the country felt the same way. If they did, our VA hospitals would be like the Mayo Clinic instead of a third world street clinic.

Mark T.
 
Semper Fi said:
...I've known guys that have had life long serious problems with what they saw and did in war. If they are lucky they get a meager subsistence from the government. Enough to live in a run down dump and stay drunk to forget...Other guys have just blown their brains out.

Yes, and millions of others have "adjusted" and lead seemingly normal middle class lives, BUT, who knows what lies just under the surface and how it affects their lives and the lives of those around them? You and I, Semp, probably fall in this category.

War is insanity. Those who participate become temporarily insane. Many never regain their sanity. Many do, but it's sometimes hard to tell.
 
I read an account of an incident that occured early on in the Iraq war. A specops sgt.. my guess is 25 with 7 years service, shot an Iraqi who had a bomb tied around his waist and was running toward the Sgt and his men, obvious to any observer he was bent on killing himself, securing a bevy of virgins in Heaven, and sending to hell as many American soldiers as the bomb would take out.

The man fell and a 10 year old boy grabbed the bomb off the dead body and continued the mission, running toward Sgt and men. Sgt. waves and screams, trying desperately to ward off the attack. When the kid entered the danger zone the Sgt. shot him dead.

The Sgt. started to cry and threw down his rifle. He went to see the CO and said he wanted out. Of course, all the CO and all the shrinks told the Sgt. he did his duty and had done was was right, good and proper. The Sgt. wasn't buying it. The bottom line was he had killed a ten year old kid and he couldn't handle it.

Think about this casualty of war. It's one of the saddest accounts I've ever read. And, when he goes to the VA hospital for help he won't get any.

It all sucks in the worst possible way and pisses me off in the worst possible way.
 
I'm proud to be partly, quietly nutz...

BTW, Almost *everyone* I trust is too...Semp knows what I mean...
 
Nasty said:
I'm proud to be partly, quietly nutz...

BTW, Almost *everyone* I trust is too...Semp knows what I mean...
Yes, I know exactly what you mean. I've never trusted anyone until the last few months...
 
I forgot to mention for whatever it's worth that last year I got the flu shot and came down with the worst case of flu I've had in the last 20 years.
 
Bill Martino said:
I forgot to mention for whatever it's worth that last year I got the flu shot and came down with the worst case of flu I've had in the last 20 years.

I felt fine last year until they gave me the shot. Then I felt like hell for the next two weeks. Just sick enough to be miserable but not sick enough to miss work. And I'm young and healthy. :rolleyes: Thankfully they aren't giving active duty military flu shots this year either due to the shortage :D but that's sad to hear the vets aren't getting any either. If anyone deserves it it's them. :mad:
 
"Facts"

OK, here's a fact. Often, a claimed "cut" is actually just an increase that is not as large as the critic supports.

Here are some other facts (source: U.S. Office of the Budget):

Net spending for veteran benefits

Fiscal 2001 (last Clinton budget) - $47.448 billion
Fiscal 2002 - $51.91 billion
Fiscal 2003 - $59.934 billion
Fiscal 2004 - $60.296 billion
Fiscal 2005 - $65.285 billion


Total increase in 8 Clinton years - 31.7%
Total increase in 4 Bush years if proposal for 2005 passes Congress - 37.6%

Free lifetime care for vets ended in 1995.

Enough? Of course, never enough.

A fellow -- not a nut case but a former high-ranking official -- has written a book that says that the estimated unfunded cost of presently entitled benefits for those expected to retire by 2025 exceeds $42 trillion - slightly exceeding the projected net worth of the United States - not the Government, the United States and all of its economic enterprises, property, and resources.

On the other hand, you have different fingers.
 
Thomas Linton said:
...Net spending for veteran benefits...Fiscal 2004 - $60.296 billion...
"Net spending" is like "Net pay". It includes a lot that you never see, never get to use, and that goes into somebody else's pocket.
 
Ben Arown-Awile said:
"Net spending" is like "Net pay". It includes a lot that you never see, never get to use, and that goes into somebody else's pocket.

The point being? I never see any of the money. I never get to use any of it. It all goes into somebody else's pocket. I'm just a tax-payer.

The point is that the amount budgeted has gone up by tens of billions - not down. There have been no "cuts" only lesser increases than some supported. Doubtless, greater spending can be justified.

I support reality-based positions to the extent that actual facts are available.
 
What should be and what is for vets have been two separate things for over a hundred years - documented. I suspect the same was true in the Roman Legions. Doesn't mean it's right.

Help isn't going to come from the government anytime soon. So if we think that vets got shafted, it's up to you and me to treat them as well as we can individually. Ultimately responsibility rests on all our shoulders.
 
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