No gravity knives?

K.O.D. said:
Gravitron was awesome, one of my favorites at our local carnival growing up. However, the one at great america was better, instead of sliding up on the wall, the floor dropped out from under you.
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…until it ripped somebody’s leg off😬
 
NG VI said:
'Blue law' is the term for any law that is selectively but rarely enforced because it's obsolete or irrelevant.


Such as blue laws about not doing things on Sundays, an example of a blue law but not the only one.
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That is not my understanding.
Oxford and Wikipedia agree with me. Blue laws are also known as Sunday laws.

Technically it doesn’t have to be a Sunday, but it has a religious implication. For example not allowing stores to be open on Christmas is a blue law.

No hunting on Sunday, is a blue law.

What you are describing is known as a “Strange Law”
 
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eveled said:
That is not my understanding.
Oxford and Wikipedia agree with me. Blue laws are also known as Sunday laws.

Technically it doesn’t have to be a Sunday, but it has a religious implication. For example not allowing stores to be open on Christmas is a blue law.

No hunting on Sunday, is a blue law.

What you are describing is known as a “Strange Law”
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That's because lots of blue laws are based around religious quirks like the various Sunday laws, it does not change the fact that 'blue law' refers to a law that isn't actively enforced because it is obsolete yet is still on the books because it was never repealed. 'Sunday laws' is a name for a kind of blue law, but 'blue law' is the more general, and appropriate to knives, term for the concept.
 
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NG VI said:
That's because lots of blue laws are based around religious quirks like the various Sunday laws, it does not change the fact that 'blue law' refers to a law that isn't actively enforced because it is obsolete yet is still on the books because it was never repealed. 'Sunday laws' is a name for a kind of blue law, but 'blue law' is the more general, and appropriate to knives, term for the concept.
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I’m sure you are right. You should get in touch with Oxford dictionary and Wikipedia and let them know they are wrong.

There are literally 100’s of references on the internet to back up my opinion of the definition and 0 to back up yours.

It’s ok to admit you are wrong and that you learned something new. It’s part of life. It’s one way intelligent people get even smarter.

My apologies to the OP for the thread drift.
 
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eveled said:
FWIW, blue laws are laws that apply to activities on Sundays.

So unless gravity knives are legal the other 6 days then it’s not a blue law.

Sorry to nit pick.
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NG VI said:
'Blue law' is the term for any law that is selectively but rarely enforced because it's obsolete or irrelevant.


Such as blue laws about not doing things on Sundays, an example of a blue law but not the only one.
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eveled said:
That is not my understanding.
Oxford and Wikipedia agree with me. Blue laws are also known as Sunday laws.

Technically it doesn’t have to be a Sunday, but it has a religious implication. For example not allowing stores to be open on Christmas is a blue law.

No hunting on Sunday, is a blue law.

What you are describing is known as a “Strange Law”
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NG VI said:
That's because lots of blue laws are based around religious quirks like the various Sunday laws, it does not change the fact that 'blue law' refers to a law that isn't actively enforced because it is obsolete yet is still on the books because it was never repealed. 'Sunday laws' is a name for a kind of blue law, but 'blue law' is the more general, and appropriate to knives, term for the concept.
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Blue laws only deal with morality (generally in the religious sense), regardless of whether the law is outdated or unenforced (or unenforceable). "Sunday laws" are the traditional "blue laws," but there are plenty of unenforceable laws that don't deal with morality and thus aren't "blue." A good example is capital punishment for rape, which remains on the books in many states despite the Supreme Court having established that rape of an adult is not punishable by death back in 1977, and more recently establishing that the death penalty is unconstitutional for any crime other than murder or treason (2008).


lonestag said:
I have been wondering why gravity knives, specifically out the front type,are not available? Given that automatic knives are legal in 40 states now you'd think there would be. I don't mean the German paratrooper type from ww2,but the slimmer European styles,from years ago. I'd think they might be less expensive to make then a double action otf. Does anyone know of any factory gravity knives on today's market? Thanks!
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A knife that locks both closed and open, but can be opened using only gravity after being unlocked, isn't really something that's got a lot of consumer demand. Honestly, there isn't that much demand for any sort of manual knife that actually locks in the closed position. Most knives today only lock in the open position, and consumers seem pretty content with just a bit of resistance to open (e.g., a detent) rather than an actual lock you need to disengage in order to open.

elde66 said:
Aside from not being an OTF, the Elementum button lock comes pretty close to being a gravity knife.
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My understanding is that the Elementum Button Lock will only open if you push the button. Based on the usual definition of a gravity knife (blade locks in open and closed positions, and with lock disengaged can operate using just the force of gravity), that is a gravity knife. Under the NYC definition, where any knife that can be opened using enough inertia, damn near anything is a gravity knife (which is why the law was struck down in court).
 
Glad I read through. The thread finally got back on track. I think the reason consumers are content with locking open and a detent holding it closed is that there has been little to nothing available that actually locks closed. Almost any broken spring automatic and several brands of razor knives are all that come to mind.

Almost any detent knife can be opened with a good flick only. Release the detent and most well made knives allow the blade to drop open. Certainly axis lock and button lock knives can but even liner and frame locks of good construction can be "opened" just by releasing the detent. It's often awkward, even difficult with liner and frame locks but it can be done.

Are these gravity knives and if so why? The button lock Elementum at least can't be deployed with just a flick of the wrist. This makes it much less a gravity knife than certainly button lock detent and axis lock detent knives and in a perverted sort of way, most all the rest.

I think it would be ridiculous to think that lawmakers, the courts even LEOs would understand all of this and be able to make/interpret case law based on how the laws are currently on the books as they apply to gravity knives. In any case I don't understand why the common first thoughts on this knife are concerns that it is a gravity knife.
 
Didn't Reate just recently release agravity knife? The EXO.
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Yup, the Reate Exo is crazy smooth🤯
 
JAF1973 said:
I got a question. Does the Reate Exo lock stay engaged by hand pressure? Sorry if that sounds dumb. I never owned or used a gravity knife.
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Yes, there's no detent holding the handle halves closed. I mentioned the idea to the designer, either as a detent or a safety switch to allow safe pocket carry.
 
Mal2 said:
Glad I read through. The thread finally got back on track. I think the reason consumers are content with locking open and a detent holding it closed is that there has been little to nothing available that actually locks closed. Almost any broken spring automatic and several brands of razor knives are all that come to mind.

Almost any detent knife can be opened with a good flick only. Release the detent and most well made knives allow the blade to drop open. Certainly axis lock and button lock knives can but even liner and frame locks of good construction can be "opened" just by releasing the detent. It's often awkward, even difficult with liner and frame locks but it can be done.

Are these gravity knives and if so why? The button lock Elementum at least can't be deployed with just a flick of the wrist. This makes it much less a gravity knife than certainly button lock detent and axis lock detent knives and in a perverted sort of way, most all the rest.

I think it would be ridiculous to think that lawmakers, the courts even LEOs would understand all of this and be able to make/interpret case law based on how the laws are currently on the books as they apply to gravity knives. In any case I don't understand why the common first thoughts on this knife are concerns that it is a gravity knife.
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A gravity knife locks both open AND closed, which is why knives with a normal button lock or Axis Lock (or any other mainstream lock) aren't gravity knives. The Button Lock Elementum locks closed (you can't open it without pushing the button) so it's a gravity knife, but a regular button lock like the Malibu can be easily opened using the flipper tab and without touching the button, so it's not a gravity knife.

My understanding of the history of these laws is that your reference to "broken spring automatic" knives is part of how the definition of a gravity knife developed. If you ban the sale of switchblades, it's not hard to take that same knife and remove the spring, letting gravity do the work instead. The specific definition of "gravity knife" was created, at least in part, to avoid having an easy workaround (sell the knife without a spring and let the buyer install one) or a functionally similar product.
 
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