No knife!

Last year waited in O'Hara international airport for a flight to go to Texas to pick up my son got to the metal detector and damn if I didn't have my knife walked to the car to put it up the got back in the 30 min line lol. Sucked being without my knife
 
Vinifera said:
Just to set the record straight, the business which has decided to have a no knife rule is exercising its right under the law too so you aren't being deprived of a right at all. You are an invitee of the business and the business may set rules for admission unless the business discriminates on account of race, color, creed or any other constitutional right. There is no "right" to carry a knife into a business or a home if the owner prohibits it. One may argue with whether or not the business or home owner should prohibit it, but the owner has such a right.
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I live in California, and I know of no statute in California law that says the owners of private property can make "rules of admission" that invalidate the lawful rights of the citizens of this state.

Property owners can make their own "rules of admission", but those "rules" are not enforceable by members of law enforcement or the courts. Such "rules" are only enforceable by the threat, and the act, of expulsion from the property. And the owners of private property certainly have the right to expel people, and without any reason needed.

Although my right to carry a knife cannot be invalidated by some made up "rules", it can be rendered moot. If a property owner exercises their right to expel me from their property, then my right to carry a knife on their property becomes moot, because I will no longer be lawfully permitted to enter their property.

As far as whether a business is "depriving" me of my rights by imposing their own rules, I would say no, they are not. I would say that they are trying to deprive me of my rights as part of the cost of entry. But I have a choice whether or not to patronize their business. So in actuality, the only one who can deprive me of my rights in such a situation is me.

In any event, I refuse to give my money, and patronize any business, that would require me to suspend my lawful right to carry a knife in order to enter their property.

For the record, I am no lawyer, and I do not claim to possess absolute knowledge of the law. If anyone can cite any statute in California law that says the owners of private property can make up their own rules that will invalidate the rights of citizens granted by state law, I would be very glad to read it.
 
Vinifera said:
Just to set the record straight, the business which has decided to have a no knife rule is exercising its right under the law too so you aren't being deprived of a right at all. You are an invitee of the business and the business may set rules for admission unless the business discriminates on account of race, color, creed or any other constitutional right. There is no "right" to carry a knife into a business or a home if the owner prohibits it. One may argue with whether or not the business or home owner should prohibit it, but the owner has such a right.
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Pretty much...private property rights generally trump everything else, unless said property is also a business and is discriminating against a person(s) based on membership in a protected class. As far as the fair ground with a policy of "no knife or you will be arrested", that may be because of it being considered a teaching institution. Alternatively, if it is just their rule, all they can do is just ask you to leave. Failing to leave, however, could get you arrested for Criminal Trespass.
 
gonebad395 said:
Last year waited in O'Hara international airport for a flight to go to Texas to pick up my son got to the metal detector and damn if I didn't have my knife walked to the car to put it up the got back in the 30 min line lol. Sucked being without my knife
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At least you didn't get caught at the magnetometer, all sorts of bad things can happen then. You could potentially get arrested by local police, and also could face up to an $11K civil fine for bringing a prohibited weapon into a secure area of an airport.
 
John_0917 said:
At least you didn't get caught at the magnetometer, all sorts of bad things can happen then. You could potentially get arrested by local police, and also could face up to an $11K civil fine for bringing a prohibited weapon into a secure area of an airport.
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Yeah I was lucky the lady was cool she was like you can throw it in the box or take it to your car being my BM I took it to the car
 
There are some things that I dislike and less things that I hate. Hate is powerful and it will harm you. That said I hate to fly. I will drive whenever possible. Giving up your knife and your freedom is wrong.
 
coop1957 said:
There are some things that I dislike and less things that I hate. Hate is powerful and it will harm you. That said I hate to fly. I will drive whenever possible. Giving up your knife and your freedom is wrong.
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I agree with you but driving g wasn't in the plans. And as for leaving your knife during a flight I see both sides of it and understand both and in all reality with today's bullshit am OK with it. I feel confident I can unarmed defend myself without a knife on just saying.
 
gonebad395 said:
I agree with you but driving g wasn't in the plans. And as for leaving your knife during a flight I see both sides of it and understand both and in all reality with today's bullshit am OK with it. I feel confident I can unarmed defend myself without a knife on just saying.
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The bad part is many people get thru with knives of various sizes and other pointy objects...I travel for a living and have seen people get in trouble for using there knives sitting at the gate. One guy I watched pull out a fixed blade about 5"to cut up his steak, needless to say it didn't take long for him to be surrounded and escorted somewhere. But the fact he made it thru with a 5"knife makes you wonder what else gets "over looked"...another guy I saw again at the gate begins peeling his Apple with a folder, same thing happened to him.


What cracks me up thou is I can't bring a small folder onto a plane but they allow big ass knitting needles to be carried on.
 
Bobby3326 said:
The bad part is many people get thru with knives of various sizes and other pointy objects...I travel for a living and have seen people get in trouble for using there knives sitting at the gate. One guy I watched pull out a fixed blade about 5"to cut up his steak, needless to say it didn't take long for him to be surrounded and escorted somewhere. But the fact he made it thru with a 5"knife makes you wonder what else gets "over looked"...another guy I saw again at the gate begins peeling his Apple with a folder, same thing happened to him.


What cracks me up thou is I can't bring a small folder onto a plane but they allow big ass knitting needles to be carried on.
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Any chance there are custom knitting needle makers?
Assisted opening with handle, guard and maybe a black coating?
 
Bobby3326 said:
The bad part is many people get thru with knives of various sizes and other pointy objects...I travel for a living and have seen people get in trouble for using there knives sitting at the gate. One guy I watched pull out a fixed blade about 5"to cut up his steak, needless to say it didn't take long for him to be surrounded and escorted somewhere. But the fact he made it thru with a 5"knife makes you wonder what else gets "over looked"...another guy I saw again at the gate begins peeling his Apple with a folder, same thing happened to him.


What cracks me up thou is I can't bring a small folder onto a plane but they allow big ass knitting needles to be carried on.
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That recent IG report did show that TSA line screeners missed about 95% of weapons of various types.
 
I fly once a week for work (or rather used to) and carry a sebenza on my side every other day. I felt naked on 'fly' days through out the entire day. One day, though, I'm walking to the gate, brush my hand on my right carry side and GOOD GOD the sebenza is right there with me at the airport gate after passing thru the TSA checkpoint. I've never been so scared in my life. Needless to say, I slipped the clip off my pocket and deep down into my pocket until I got to my destination. Holy moly, that was a scary day. On my return trip, I left my computer there and checked my computer bag with the Sebbie hidden deep where TSA sticky fingers would be hard pressed to find and pilfer it. I was lucky that day, would have made the 6:00 news for sure!! I guess the Ti-scales had something to do with not triggering the metal detector, but left me wondering if other not-so-honorable persons could get thru with non-ferrous weapons as well.
 
stog75 said:
I fly once a week for work (or rather used to) and carry a sebenza on my side every other day. I felt naked on 'fly' days through out the entire day. One day, though, I'm walking to the gate, brush my hand on my right carry side and GOOD GOD the sebenza is right there with me at the airport gate after passing thru the TSA checkpoint. I've never been so scared in my life. Needless to say, I slipped the clip off my pocket and deep down into my pocket until I got to my destination. Holy moly, that was a scary day. On my return trip, I left my computer there and checked my computer bag with the Sebbie hidden deep where TSA sticky fingers would be hard pressed to find and pilfer it. I was lucky that day, would have made the 6:00 news for sure!! I guess the Ti-scales had something to do with not triggering the metal detector, but left me wondering if other not-so-honorable persons could get thru with non-ferrous weapons as well.
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I'd flown for 2 years(atleast 250 flights) with a leatherman micra in my back pack...didn't know it was in there until one day going thru a diligent screener noticed and confiscated it...however thou during those 2 years I'd had my bag randomly searched atleast 50 times and they never came across it some how. I've also gone thru on accident with my wave before.
 
Bobby3326 said:
I'd flown for 2 years(atleast 250 flights) with a leatherman micra in my back pack...didn't know it was in there until one day going thru a diligent screener noticed and confiscated it...however thou during those 2 years I'd had my bag randomly searched atleast 50 times and they never came across it some how. I've also gone thru on accident with my wave before.
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I dremeled the knife blade off a Micra and it is my airport blade/scissors. --KV
 
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