no knives in Disney

I'm betting their are more people mamed or killed by young people texting, tweeting, twittering, facebooking and talking on their cell phones than are mamed or killed with a jack knife.
 
Private businesses should be able to run however they want to. But that does not mean that their policies are righteous or justifiable and furthermore, it does not mean that we all have to agree with them.

If enough people don’t mind the protective policies, the business will succeed (most people like the security, remember we are talking about a high majority of soccer moms and “Disney families”). There just aren’t enough of us knife enthusiasts or libertarians to significantly alter demand.

The Irony is that some of the best rides at Disneyland are based off of Characters who frequently carry edged weapons. Here is a quick list of Disney characters that always have knives/ swords –I am sure there are more:

Peter Pan (has his own ride)
Pirates of the Caribbean (a great ride with lots of knives, used to be better though)
Tom Sawyer (of Tom Sawyer’s Island - a survivalist of sorts)

That is just off of the top of my head, and those rides and attractions are some of the most popular ones which Disneyland has to offer. Ironic no? Idolizing characters that have freedoms we (not us, but the majority) are afraid of allowing.
 
Stag & Steel said:
I'm betting their are more people mamed or killed by young people texting, tweeting, twittering, facebooking and talking on their cell phones than are mamed or killed with a jack knife.
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The difference here is one is an accident and the other is intentional.

Knives are carried around by kids in LA for use as weapons first and foremost.

They get creative with them, hiding push daggers, using cane knives, etc. Others just take $30 to REI and get a folder. But they are not using them to open boxes, cut rope or baton fire wood.

Groups of teenagers from rival neighborhoods + knives + disneyland = ONLY A MATTER OF TIME.

It will only take one gang incident to drop attendence there considerably. That means less money, layoffs, lawsuits, you name it. Limiting edged weapons and tools in this private environment makes perfect sense both from safety and business perspectives.

Yes, the gangs will still fight occasionally, but at least they won't stab each other and leave blood stains all over the magic kingdom. Security officers can subdue people, add a knife into the mix and suddenly, you've got a much bigger mess on your hands.
 
Kind of ludicrous what they term as a weapon. I have watched people have to surender fingernail files and clippers. However I get waived right through with my hickory cane. (I've about 12 years invested in Kenjutsu, and a bit of time in Escrima)
 
Mark J said:
Are you kidding?? Not only would the tiny pocket knife pose a serious threat to national security, but those Cracker Jacks can be deadly. One piece of caramel covered popcorn carelessly flicked at someone's head could put an eye out! And don't even get me started on the peanuts in the box. ;) :rolleyes:

- Mark
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Yea, about those peanuts...

A peanut can kill some people deader than dead in a matter of minutes. Yet they hand me dozens of these tiny biological weapons everytime I sit down on a plane. Just because nobody has attempted to hijack a plane with a peanut doesn't mean it couldn't happen.

Shouldn't a pocket sized bag of peanuts require a "carry and conceal" permit based on the logic that if handle improperly/maliciously it could be a lethal weapon? Along that note we could also spawn a whole new line of protective/ballistic/biological "peanut proof" armors - which of course would be far to dangerous in the hands of civilians with allergies, so would only be available to law enforcement.

Of course that would spawn a nationwide legal backlash that would surely get peanuts banned from the streets. The spin would likely affect peanut related products as well - even pretzels and chips sporting the Planters "Mr.Peanut" would be criminalized. And then of course we would face the classic "If you criminalize peanuts, only criminals will have peanuts".

The bottom line of this little satire is this: I just keep having faith that the general American public will at some point realize that we are creating a society that is exactly the same as the one this country declared it's independence from all those years ago. That faith is continually met with disappointment....
 
The government is insistent on creating places where honest people don't have the means to defend themselves. Many businesses are also. I have all the respect in the world for anyone in law enforcement and 99% deserve that respect, but you have to remember when it hits the fan it's going to be just you standing there. I have several friends that are in law enforcement and every one of them is just too heavy to haul around. I don't use a pocket clip.
 
Gee things have changed in Los Angeles since I left if kids are carrying knives as weapons--they used to carry guns. Are you telling me there has been that much progress? I don't particularly worry about violence in the park. It is sure to be limited in scope since there is so much security. Knives are not particularly dangerous, people are dangerous. A rock or a chair make an individual more dangerous than he might have been just as well as a knife. Three unarmed thugs are more dangerous than an individual with a knife. You do not really enhance park security by keeping out knives. Keeping out drugs and alcohol are much more important.
 
They booted me for a knife a couple of years ago.

I was Pissed, it was like 15 minutes back to the car.

Figured they could have a sign up in the parking lot warning people, you know...
 
This topic should no longer be in the knife maker's Q&A forum and should be in the political or knife laws forum.
 
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Hmathews said:
The government is insistent on creating places where honest people don't have the means to defend themselves. Many businesses are also. I have all the respect in the world for anyone in law enforcement and 99% deserve that respect, but you have to remember when it hits the fan it's going to be just you standing there. I have several friends that are in law enforcement and every one of them is just too heavy to haul around. I don't use a pocket clip.
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I think it has a lot to do with lawyers. Business's are probably scared of being sued for just about any reason now days.
Like the lady who had the $50,000.00 law suit, said dolphins splashed water on her?
Probably the same with schools, they are just plain scared of being sued?
I don't know? It will probably get to were you can't chew gum at those places some day? They will be scared you may trip and fall while doing it?

Just crazy...... :confused:

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bigal2me said:
I think it has a lot to do with lawyers.
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The real genesis of this issue, and most of societal ills, is the breakdown of the nuclear family.

When there is no dad, or a series of dads, or the kids are raised by auntie, the kids don't grow up right. They do things that better-raised kids would not do, and then society responds with goofy knife laws and all manner of reactive responses that address symptoms and not causes.

When kids were raised by stable 2-parent families, knives at Disneyworld were not an issue because well-raised kids would never think of using a pocket knife in an inappropriate manner. JMO.

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I was getting a TWIC card which is a federal ID to work and enter secured ports. There is a background check and fingerprints and all that. It is all under the Homeland securities deal. Anyway when I went to pick up the card and do the final little steps the woman and I started talking and I said i made knive. She was curious and i showed her my folder. She said "you brought a weapon in here?" I said it is not a weapon it is a tool to me. I said what is a weapon? I can kill people with one of those pencils right there in that cup. She slid the cup away before continueing lol
 
Back when it was legal to carry a pocket knife to school (I grew up in West Texas...pocket knives were as common as sparrows), I had a little run in with a police officer doing drug searches.

We had drug dogs come in twice a week and do random searches (small town...big problems). You have to empty your pockets and leave everything at you desk and leave the room. I usually just left my pocket knife in my pants as it was just less hassle, but this day it was in my jacket pocket. As the dog was walking by, it jostled the jacket, and my Spyderco Police model clattered out onto the floor. The police officer picked it up and asked who's it was. I told her it was mine and she asked me why I brought a weapon to school. I said the same thing Jim did; I told her it's not a weapon, it's a tool, and people have been killing each other with rocks and sticks long before anyone ever made a knife. She just shrugged and told me I'd have to take it up with the principal. I didn't have any trouble there, I just grabbed my student handbook and showed him where it said you could not carry an "illegal" pocket knife. I also showed him the section in the penal code that defines an illegal pocket knife in Texas. :)

I know some may say that kids don't need to be carrying kinves to school. I'll tell you, in the small West Texas town I grew up in, a LOT of people carried knives to school and used them daily (though that's no longer allowed). Hell, we used to have rifles and shotguns in the gun racks of the student pickup trucks parked in the parking lot! And we had bad drug problems and some gang issues. However, in all the history at that school, the only stabbing that happened on school property happened with a broken half of a pair of scissors to the stomach over $50.

Powernoodle, unfortunately, I think you're right on the money. The changes in violence in this society didn't start with guns or knives. I think it has to be traced back to the break down of the family unit over generations and the moral degredation of our citizenry. Hell, call a republican and a-hole or a Chirstian a heretic, but don't mention Almighty God or you might offend someone. LA, maybe you're right. Maybe this does need to move to the political forums. But it is also relevent to all knife makers out there and the assault on our hobby, craft, and profession.

--nathan
 
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Great, now i'm scared of pocket knifes too. :D

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