No more TALONITE from me!!

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Allen Blade

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Hello,

I will not be offering anymore Talonite blades made by me at all anymore.

I have a Few orders left to Fullfill consisting of Talonite, and a few bars on order From Rob but then thats it!!

I love the Talonite material, but i wont do anymore of it if it means i might Cause hard feelings and Issues in the Industry that i Refuse to deal with as an Artist.

To me its just easier to Say no more Talonite Blades.

Also it seems like my Knifemaking Skills are a Threat to a few , so i wont be Frequenting this Forum as much, or any forum for that matter,,i am going to Reclude into my Shop and just make my ART and hope to Sell what i make to support my Family.

Thanks to Mike And Spark for letting me
come here and talk and share.

And to all of you who have ordered or expresed interest in my work thanks alot.

This is not affecting anything Current i have or Future orders for my work Ect..ect.

Im sorry if i have offended anyone by Pricing my Knives to Low. but I consider myself Practical for what i know it takes to make a knife, and my pricing reflects this..

anyway im going to bed,,this Stress Crap is giving me a head ache.

See ya, Allen Blade
 
Originally posted by Allen Blade:

Also it seems like my Knifemaking Skills are a Threat to a few , so i wont be Frequenting this Forum as much, or any forum for that matter,,i am going to Reclude into my Shop and just make my ART and hope to Sell what i make to support my Family.
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Well this is totally unexpected.
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Don't let anyone hold you back Alan. You are your own person and you should do whatever you want to do.

Even if you stop using Talonite please keep coming to the forums. It would not be the same here without you.

Later,
John

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[This message has been edited by automantic (edited 01-27-2000).]
 
Allen, I got your email, all is as you requested.

To all those who put orders in, the website is still available to look through, so you can feast your eyes until you get a knife in you hand, but the link will not be publicized, email me to get it. To those who have orders pending information, I am working on getting quotes and you will still be able to order if you like.

Beyond that I am going to keep my mouth shut.

Thank you,
Marion David Poff aka Eye
Coeur D'Alene, ID
mdpoff@hotmail.com http://www.geocities.com/mdpoff

"The saddest things are endings, one never wants to let go"
Marion David Poff 04:18 PST 01/27/99
 
Well this really sounds like a big mess! I don't know the details behind this, but I wish you would reconsider the "staying away from the forums".
 
Yeah really, I've never had any personal dealings with you but I've enjoyed your posts on the forum. I have no idea what you're talking about with regard to your knifemaking and those issues, but I think it would be a shame to see you leave the forums.

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John Milton
There are only two types of people; those who understand this, and those who think they do.

[This message has been edited by Johan (edited 01-27-2000).]
 
Darn it, this stinks. I was just on Eye's site the last couple days reading about what great work you do, in addition to the fantastic things you can do to restore a customer's knife. Heck, you've even done it for the cost of shipping because it was the Christmas season. If there are some folks pissed off because you price your work too LOW, you can be darn sure that they are the MINORITY on this forum. The MAJORITY of us APPRECIATE your pricing, as we are blue-collar and hard working white collar folks who have to bust our butts to fit nice knives into our budgets. This reminds me way too much of the crap that's been thrown at Lynn Griffith by some so-called heavy hitters in the industry. Now Lynn doesn't come here much anymore either. Who's gonna be here next year? A few high priced makers and the five people who can afford their knives? I'm not sure what needs to happen, but this is an alarming trend. Please stick around, AB.
-Paul Petrick
 
Hey Allen Blade!

I'm really sorry to hear that you've been treated in a bad way.

But please don't leave the forums!
Don't let those stupids get to you, i enjoy your posts and wouldn't want them to disappear!

Hope you're OK.

Take care and be well!/Jonas aka 2Sharp

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Good luck to you, sir, and my best wished for your continued success.

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James Segura
San Francisco, CA
 
I am a bit disturbed by this. Without knowing the specifics but guessing at what might have transpired, I wish folks can just hold back a bit if they disagee with something posted, or try to communicate nicely in private.

The beauty of this forums is in the convergence of handmade and production makers -- new and old -- with the lovers and users of knives.

I love hearing and finding out about the new makers out there and the art/creativity they bring to the scene. They also can also challenge the established makers in a good way and spurn on more development and creativity. The knife world benefits overall.

When folks are pushed away, or feel they are, I think we all lose out.

sing

AKTI #A000356
 
Allen,

Sorry to hear of your decision. It is too bad that you receive crap from folks when you are trying to make a living at something you enjoy. Don't let them chase you out of here or off the web in general as there is more than enough room about for everyone.

I find the specific problem with talonite humorous since it has been around for so long and used in knives from at least the 1920's. I can't imagine even the most egotistical maker out there trying to stake a claim to the sole use of talonite in knives. If they are, screw em'. They may want to talk to the Mfgs from early this century that used it in their wonderknives. It is cool stuff but lots of folks are using it. If you don't like it don't use it. If you do like it and offer it at a reasonable price to boot, let people bitch, its called supply and demand.

Take care.

-Sam.

...I've learned that you can keep puking long
after you think you're finished.




[This message has been edited by SammyB (edited 01-27-2000).]
 
Well, there's only a couple of ways to look at this. You're either being pressured by Mike/Spark to either stop the underpricing or get out. I don't believe that is going on for a second. Or, you're being told to either play the game right, or you get cut off of Talonite by the main distributor, Rob Simonich. Again, I don't believe that for a second either. So, the only other thing I can think of is some other makers are whining, but can't really do anything about it other than whine. So, IMO, let the other makers be damned, keep showing up here a posting, and keep making your Talonite knives for the price you want to. For the other makers (who may be actually reading this)... Joke 'em if they can't take a f***!
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This is getting real old. First Lynn, now you? I can tell you this... there are several makers on here who have already lost all hope of getting ANY business from me, ever.
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[This message has been edited by rockspyder (edited 01-27-2000).]
 
Well I know neither Spark or Myself have been contacted by anyone to shut Allen down. I have no idea what the real story is but I would ask that if it is more of a private situation that it be taken behind the scenes. I would be happy to try and mediate any argument if that would help.

I can only guess that a maker is pressuring Rob to not sell to him.

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Before anyone goes off the deep end with speculation, why don't we get a few facts first. Allen - would you care to enlighten us please?

As for the "My favorite maker got beat up by your favorite maker and they'll never see a penny of my money" comments, remember that some people believe that some things are actually brought upon oneself.

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Kelly

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AKTI Member #A000289

Deo Vindice




[This message has been edited by Senator (edited 01-27-2000).]
 
I Deleted what I had posted after an email from Allen.
It's not what we where thinking.
Let it go guys
Ed

[This message has been edited by Edward R Schott (edited 01-27-2000).]
 
Originally posted by Senator:
As for the "My favorite maker got beat up by your favorite maker and they'll never see a penny of my money" comments, remember that some people believe that some things are actually brought upon oneself.
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Sorry Senator, but in spite of my great respect for you and your input (I mean that sincerely), I must disagree with you here (I think, if I read your post correctly). And the problem is, I can name two makers that seem to ... well, nevermind, this is going no where. Gotta stand by what I said before. Hope you don't mind.

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"Absolute safety is for those who don't have the balls to live in the real world."
 
While I can understand the reluctance to deal with conflict especially from your fellow makers, I for one would very much like to see you continue posting. As for your pricing, that as Ed said is quite obviously your choice. Anyone attempting to set limits on such are just acting to protect themselves, ignore them. Look at it this way, instead of asking you to lower your prices, what if they asked you to reduce the quality of your knives. That would obviously get laughed at correct? Yes, and so should the other argument.

-Cliff
 
Being an American, Capitalism is king here. You price your knives any way you damn well please, to hell with anyone trying to give you pressure. As a consumer, it concerns me that if you can produce a quality knife at a price low enough to make others began to bitch, then doesn't that mean others may be afraid that we consumers will find out the prices of certain knives are way too high? And if there is one person in particular who is giving you a problem, and that person doesn't have a legal basis to stand upon, then what's the problem?

I don't know any particulars, I just hate to see oppression in any form (or forum).

We are the downtrodden yearning to be free...

Brandon

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[This message has been edited by Elvislives (edited 01-27-2000).]
 
Originally posted by rockspyder:
Gotta stand by what I said before. Hope you don't mind.
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Nope, don't mind a bit, OD (you know you'll always be OD to me.
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Kelly

SenatorsPlace.com
AKTI Member #A000289

Deo Vindice


 
Allen,
I have no idea what may have transpired to prompt your announcement and I refuse to speculate. However, I strongly urge you to reconsider your decisions.

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Cheers,

--+Brian+--

He who finishes with the most toys wins.

[This message has been edited by bcaffrey (edited 01-27-2000).]
 
Hi all, just to clear up a few things. Allen can buy all the Talonite he wishes from me, and as far as his pricing, I have NEVER told him how to price his knives, he has asked me to consult with him on his Talonite knives prices, but has always done his own pricing. I have never pressured him.

I dont know the whole story here either, but spoke with Allen this morning and from our discussion, I think this thread has been fanned into a bigger fire than was the intention!
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I for one am glad to continue to do business with Allen!
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